Healer DPS

Specifically WHM, but I'd like to hear from SCHs and ASTs too.

As I am still new to the game and learning (but picking up quick, IMO) how to heal in FF14, I am curious as to how much DPS other healers are able to pull in specific fights. I joined a FC and we've cleared Alex, BisEx, and RavEx (with me being the newest and having to learn all the fights). Considering that, I was a bit conservative with my MP usage for DPS, but weaved in the ocassional DoT when I started to get more comfortable (with some decent burst DPS at the start of Ravana kills).

What would be a good benchmark for each fight currently available as WHM?

Healer DPS in 8 person content is just as much a function of how good the other healer is as it is how well you heal/dps. That being said, when I started SCH in 2.X I know I just set small benchmarks for myself, and then just kept trying to improve. My initial goal was just 100, which I felt was a contributable amount. With better gear, you may wanna start at 200. Once you start thinking that way, you continue to find small cracks where you can get 3 Cleric Stance casts off. ANd certain fights, like Ravana, are very Healer DPS friendly.

But I will re-iterate it really is about your other healer as much as you. For instance, in T10 I would often get to about 300-350 - but that's just because all I had to do was Adlo preys - the WHM did all of the healing.

What do you mean your goal was just 100, and then going in about 300-350? What do those numbers mean?

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Originally Posted by 416to305

What do you mean your goal was just 100, and then going in about 300-350? What do those numbers mean?

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That person DPS in cleric stance.

Instead of a benchmark, decide if you should DPS depending on the MP you have left after a fight.

Much of healer DPS is a balance, balancing between doing damage and keeping your party alive. While healer DPS does speed up a dungeon run (by 10%~25%, believe it or not), you subsequently slow down the run if the group has to wait for you to get MP back. If your party dies as a result of you having no MP, that's even more time lost. This becomes really apparent when fights are 10+ minutes long, speaking from my 2.0 experience.

As a WHM in a raid setting, chances are the SCH will be DPSing more than you are. Much of this is because the SCH MP regain is better than a WHMs (at least in 2.0, I imagine this is unchanged in 3.0). This isn't to say you can't DPS, but please make sure you keep enough MP to actually heal through the entire fight.

It depends heavily on the fight and the group for me. I personally can't manage much more than 250 in Alexander and the current Ex Primals (bit higher on Ravana Ex due to how many breaks there are) as a White Mage without resorting to calling out for Mage's Ballad. It might just be me being bad, but just maintaining DoTs while keeping people healthy is murder on the MP. Though it's also likely part of me thinking that I can't trust my co-healers. Rare is it that they aren't casting Cure IIs and Lustrates for the most minor wounds, even rarer is it that they precast big hits so that you can get back to Cleric Stance sooner. So I'm generally speaking not confident Cleric Stancing for extended periods of time, unless there are obvious breaks to squeeze in a few extra Stone IIIs. :p

There is a screenie of a White Mage pushing almost 500 DPS though. Assuming you're interested! :p

I think any conversation about healer DPS is working off the obvious unstated assumption that your healer duties are being performed sufficiently. But I think setting a goal is a good idea. If you can clear the fight with 0 DPS - and you say to yourself "ok now I want to clear it with 100 DPS" if you achieve the goal, you know you are improving - as everyone alive with 100 is better than everyone alive with 0. Attempting, versus not attempting, helps you become a better player as you are forced to become more shrewd with GCD and MP usage in order to accomplish the goal.

But another thing to keep in mind is the value in healer DPS sometimes doesn't show in the final number, but moreso in pushing phases and skipping mechanics. For instance when we started doing T12, I would do great dps in the first phase, but then would barely do any dps after. So while I might end the fight only 60 or 70, my DPS in the first phase helped skip a mechanic and get us 1 less Bennu to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Anastacy

Specifically WHM, but I'd like to hear from SCHs and ASTs too.

As I am still new to the game and learning (but picking up quick, IMO) how to heal in FF14, I am curious as to how much DPS other healers are able to pull in specific fights. I joined a FC and we've cleared Alex, BisEx, and RavEx (with me being the newest and having to learn all the fights). Considering that, I was a bit conservative with my MP usage for DPS, but weaved in the ocassional DoT when I started to get more comfortable (with some decent burst DPS at the start of Ravana kills).

What would be a good benchmark for each fight currently available as WHM?

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Of the three "hard" fights in the game right now:
I can get a significant amount of DPS in on ravana ex. It's pretty easy to put up some dps outside of the second phase in Bismarck Ex. A4 is easily where I spend the least time dpsing.

I don't have a parser (ps4) so I'm not sure exactly what my output is though V_V.

I do 800+ DPS with my SCH on faust. Then again, that boss is a dummy lol.

As a WHM, with regens and asylum my tanks can tick for almost 3k regen, at that point i just go ham with DPS, essentially you learn the fight, and make sure you know it VERY well and find out the damage down times, as well as get used to weaving in and out of CS, dpsing becomes relatively easy, just make sure you have a feel for when you need to stop due to mana, due to the fact that shroud works off potencies you'll recover more and more mana as you level, but you'll also take more and more, it's tough to gauge until you're maxed, but you'll certainly notice moments where the boss doesn't out damge your regen or something.