Mudra lag and macros?

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07-06-2015, 10:28 PM
SovereignAegis

Mudra lag and macros?

Hey I am going to be rolling a ninja and I have a quick question about "mudra lag". I realze that each of the symbols = 0.5 gcd (so button mashing doesn't really work/help).

And sooooo I am curious if a macro can help that?

IE: I pre-assign things such as "huiton" with all the symbols with 0.5 second waittimes between them. Then press the button and bam, mindless huiton.

Does this work?

Note: I'd try and test this myself but getting to level 35 will take a little while for me so I am asking in advance.
07-06-2015, 10:41 PM
Korashy

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

Hey I am going to be rolling a ninja and I have a quick question about "mudra lag". I realze that each of the symbols = 0.5 gcd (so button mashing doesn't really work/help).

And sooooo I am curious if a macro can help that?

IE: I pre-assign things such as "huiton" with all the symbols with 0.5 second waittimes between them. Then press the button and bam, mindless huiton.

Does this work?

Note: I'd try and test this myself but getting to level 35 will take a little while for me so I am asking in advance.

Part of the problem is that you don't execute your next attack while still locked into the animation, but AC makes you not have to cast huiton, unless you let it fall off during the fight.
07-06-2015, 11:09 PM
NovaLevossida

As far as I know, /wait only increments in whole seconds, not half seconds. At any rate, I can manually go through a 3-step mudra much faster than a macro can. Most of your mudra problems will not be the speed of them (though it is annoying) but rather how the server thinks you didn't press the button or when you go to activate it, it'll play the animation, stop the animation, not actually do the attack, and then you have to do the attack again (if you haven't already hit something else because it looked like Raiton actually went off and thus ruined your mudra).
07-06-2015, 11:25 PM
HeavensSword

Do not use macros. As mentioned you only get whole seconds, but more importantly macros are incapable of "action queuing". Right now when you are in a GCD, if you hit a skill, the game will queue the action to activate as soon as that GCD timer completes.

What this means is that a person using macros vs. someone who isn't will eventually get behind in their rotation and they will do less DPS overall.

More to your point, you will be using your mudras slower than a non-macroing NIN.

EDIT:
About mudra lag. I don't know what your connection is like, but personally I feel the mudra lag (though it exists) is blown a little out of proportion. I have a good connection and never have issues with mine, but I also don't try to input my signs stupidly quick. There is a delay due to the animation as well. The easiest way is to get the 1-2-3 timing down in your head. Figure out what "beat" works for you and your connection speed and practice that. TIP: If your connection is truly horribly, using Shuriken toss over Raiton will be a DPS increase.
07-06-2015, 11:35 PM
Korashy

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

About mudra lag. I don't know what your connection is like, but personally I feel the mudra lag (though it exists) is blown a little out of proportion. I have a good connection and never have issues with mine, but I also don't try to input my signs stupidly quick. There is a delay due to the animation as well. The easiest way is to get the 1-2-3 timing down in your head. Figure out what "beat" works for you and your connection speed and practice that. TIP: If your connection is truly horribly, using Shuriken toss over Raiton will be a DPS increase.

The annoying part is that in theory you should be able to smoothly execute a 3 sign mudra + release in the 2 (average) seconds we have for GCD, but due to animations it's not possible to smoothly weave it in between. Even Raiton gets a bit wonky depending after which animation it's coming.
07-06-2015, 11:55 PM
HeavensSword

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Originally Posted by Korashy

The annoying part is that in theory you should be able to smoothly execute a 3 sign mudra + release in the 2 (average) seconds we have for GCD, but due to animations it's not possible to smoothly weave it in between. Even Raiton gets a bit wonky depending after which animation it's coming.

Very true; there is a tiny bit of clipping that will occur.
07-06-2015, 11:56 PM
Sessurea

no mudra macros result in an enormous dps loss. Mudras are fine but you can't operate them from muscle memory is all, u gotta look to see when the skills refresh manually everytime. armour break relieves ALOT of pain though . And if you are a min/maxer u can forget it if you have mudra lag.
07-06-2015, 11:59 PM
Korashy

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

no mudra macros result in an enormous dps loss. It's fine but you can't operate them from muscle memory is all, u gotta look to see when the skills refresh manually everytime. armour break relieves ALOT of pain though .

eh, doing every third mudra huiton was easier for me to remember then to constantly AC, or AC before a boss goes invul/untargetable so to not lose huiton (but that just takes a bit to get used to). Since AC arguably has the shortest animation, it may actually be the best GCD to weave sign after.
07-07-2015, 12:00 AM
Sessurea

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Originally Posted by Korashy

eh, doing every third mudra huiton was easier for me to remember then to constantly AC, or AC before a boss goes invul/untargetable so to not lose huiton (but that just takes a bit to get used to). Since AC arguably has the shortest animation, it may actually be the best GCD to weave sign after.

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