fang & claw and wheeling thrusts are random procs?

Could I confirm that these 2 skills proc randomly?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3036770

They are random. Which one procs is a 50/50 split between the two following either Chaos Thrust or Full Thrust. You have to pay attention to which one procs so that you can reposition and use it for its full potency.

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Originally Posted by Shuon

Could I confirm that these 2 skills proc randomly?

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Yes, 50/50 split. In the end, it's honestly not that difficult to get used to. Here's a couple of tips to help:

1) From the Dragoon DPS Paradigm thread (Thanks, Dervy!), something like this will help you tell which one has procced:
http://puu.sh/iy2gB/e32f7ab85d.png

It will highlight which one has procced so as long as you remember what hotkeys match to what, you should be good...which leads me to....

2) Put the buttons next to each other. For me, I put them on F & G. When it procs, I move into position and slam both if I am feeling overwhelmed because it won't execute the "wrong" attack regardless.

3) Practice! Practice even while soloing. Leave Leg Sweep/Spineshatter Dive so you have a chance to move into position. Use all your cooldowns on regular mobs to get used to rotations. Doing that will help build your muscle memory. Try and keep Blood of the Dragon going even while jumping between mobs during a "Kill X enemies" quest. You can even try and move "through" mobs and use the positional to see if you get it (and it keeps Blood of the Dragon alive regardless of whether you hit positionals or not).

Hope those tips help!

Thanks! just wanted to confirm cuz I think during e3 they wernt random procs :D

I actually intending to macro them both into 1 button (ctrl ~)

While PC players have no excuse to practice and get better with these random procs, I think drg rotation is already quite bloated, and adding in 2 random procs makes life hard for console players, players who use controllers, or players without an excellent connection. There can be a slight learning curve, but really, most of us want to play FFXIV, an online RPG, but the way rotations work for DRG now it feels more like I'm doing inputs for Virtual Fighter or Tekken. Would it be too much to just remove the randomness and let chaos thrust and full thrust always proc their respective followup finishers? Blood of the Dragon already has a number of restrictions and a limited duration which can be challenging to keep up when performing mechanics, the random factor is difficult to account for especially when bosses turn, which is quite often.

I personally dont mind the random procs but yes having them combo directly off chaos thrust and heavy turst would make things much easier

After doing a few dungeons I found I got used to it quickly and it makes it more fun. I use controller too, though like Dervy's picture I have them set away from the xbar on a horizontal bar..much clearer to see which one has procced and I've already trained my brain which is which on the xbar (I have both skills set to circle on either side)