Been confused on who i'm supposed to heal in 8 man stuff

I'm gona be maining whm, just beat the 2.0 storyline. Been working on my relic up to titan hm now.

The thing is every 8 man i've been in so far there has been no comunication. I just been healing random peaple, sometimes stopping my cast since the other healer alrdy got um.

I've been confused on who i should heal when thers 2 healers in the group.

How do 2 healers work together in 8 man stuff?

There are two kinds of common and unwritten agreements:
1) White mage priority would be everyone including tanks while the scholar's main concern is only one or both tanks and maybe prepare up the group if they can't survive it without proper mitigation (which is commonly forgotten or neglected, especially with echo)
2) The white mage "solo heals" for most of it while the scholar only assists for big hits (ie: Adloquium before tank killing moves). It's not uncommon for the healer to outheal the scholar.

Case 2 is probably the most common one

Expect it to always be like that XD. there really is no time to say "im gonna heal that guy who just got hurt" cause by the time you say that it would have long since been done. The best you can expect is maybe a rez order, like who gets to swift raise first in cases of death. But even that bit of communication almost NEVER happens. So expect to be healing people who have already been healed quite often.. as well as swift raising the same person the other healer also swift raised (this happens a LOT due to the lack of communication). The only raids that would have some form of communication would be the Binding coils, since those REQUIRE communication at times, Final coil being a huge example.

But as for the more spammed raids like the crystal towers, expect little to no communication. The same can be said for 8 man dungeons such as Prae and Castrum...most players are so over leveled for those now they rush threw in silence.

SO best advice i can give is keep doing your best, never assume the other healer will always be on the ball and get people. Its better to heal the same person who just got healed, then to watch them die cause the other healer was doing something else. It may seem like a waste of mana, and it is, but it cannot be helped since nobody talks.

Edit: also as for the above post, I main SCH and i have had to save many due to WHM's not keeping up. Mitigation is our main job yes, but its not often that i can do only that. There have been times where my partner WHM's wont heal AT ALL and DPS the whole time, so I would outheal them for the raid. Situations differ greatly based on the people you get. But yes, WHM does usually out heal a SCH, but not always. But i digress, its not possible to cover every possible situation on here XP. Heck i dunno why i'm typing this anymore so ima stop XD I just hope my post was helpful at least a little.

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Well, they're "unwritten agreements", so it doesn't mean it's always being practiced. In other words: The opposite may also occur. It's more of a raid-environment thing, rather than, for example, primals.

For Non-Coil content I would tell you just do as I do...I plan on healing solo and any help they give me is a bonus. since I can solo heal all that anyway I am good to go. Since you may be newer to this content I would give the same advice and try to solo heal. Always try and talk in chat to the other healer and it may surprise you and they actually work something out with you. Some key tips are to watch the healing though...if someone takes a hit and is not down too much HP give it a second and see what happens first before you rush to heal. If you are playing white mage you can just throw them a Regen and then go about your fight watching the tanks. Tank have priority making sure they are shielded properly when necessary and such. Hope this helps but healing takes just some experience and you will be more comfortable with time.

The white mages priority is handling group heals while the SCH is the priority tank healer.



In the case where both tanks need to be healed at the same time by both healers:
(Such as secondary head in T11 or Ahk Morn in T13)

The white mage heals the paladin due to his high defense and because regens work more effectively by having more time to work.

The scholar heals the warrior due to his high health pool and because Adloquium (& stoneskin) will make stronger shields with more HP.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

The white mage heals the paladin due to his high defense and because regens work more effectively by having more time to work.

The scholar heals the warrior due to his high health pool and because Adloquium (& stoneskin) will make stronger shields with more HP.

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Well, this is as incorrect as it can be. If not incorrect the differences are negligible.

An adloquium on the warrior is 20% bigger, but paladins take 20% less damage. If you adlo a paladin for 1000 HP and takes a 1600 damage hit (after shield oath mitigation), the paladin effectively takes 600 damage. With the same numbers warriors get a 1200 shield and take 2000 damage, effectively taking 800 damage.
You could also consider the exact opposite with the same logic you present:
The White Mage heals the warrior because of the increased healing effect so it makes Regen more effectively. But unlike your comparison: Stoneskin from white mage is by far more effective than a scholar's version.
The scholar heals the paladin because of the increased mitigation they have from shield oath and the block chance - Where warrior has only parry. Which in turn also makes the shielding from Adloquium more effective for each point it shields*.

So again: Differences are negligible.

* Because paladins take 20% less damage, it takes 25% more damage to actually kill it. Say a paladin has 5000 HP, it takes 6250 -raw- damage to kill him/her (80% of 6250 is 5000, while 1250 is 25% from 5000). By this reasoning you could say that adloquium has 25% more effective shielding as well: it takes 1250 damage to take off a galvanize worth 1000 points. I think there was a discussion somewhere in the tank forums about eHP, but I can't be bothered looking for it. Long story short: the eHP of both tanks are pretty much the same bar some small differences.

What I generally do look at how my cohealer is playing. If they don't ever activate Cleric Stance then I will heal less frequently (as long as they can handle it). I like to DPS a lot and heal when it is needed. It's a waste of my time and MP if I focus all my attention on healing when the other healer is doing the same thing. This is not say I ignore healing or that I prioritize DPS. I'm still a healer, but a lot of content doesn't need both healers throwing out a Cure at every attack. I always keep an eye on the party and help if the other healer is having trouble.

I always try ro keep Regen up on the tanks, if needed, and I always drop Cleric Stance before a big attack so I can heal everyone.

I do what VanilleFang does. Especially in CT or likewise, I'll stay out of CS for a while, and if I notice the other healer not DPSing I will go ahead and DPS (as long as it's feasible that the other healer can heal just fine).

If I see something happen though (that my fairy can't deal with or I need an Adlo or something) then I hop out and do it. I've been on both spectrums, helping a new healer with WoD, so I pretty much never went into CS, while another run I almost never left it (except for big hits like after the clouds on Cloud of Darkness, to mitigate the big damage). So it really depends. Watch what your cohealer does.

In DF I'm guilty of largely ignoring my co-healer's actions unless they are doing something so bizarre that it catches my attention (including actually being skilled).

As SCH I feel free to do safely pretty much whatever I want since I can change tactics instantly to make up for a suddenly deficient healing partner; as WHM I tend to voluntarily shoulder more of the healing unless my partner seems to be unusually on-the-ball since the almighty GCD and comparative lack of off-GCD heals can occasionally limit my ability to stop a train wreck that I didn't see coming.

So yeah, I advocate being a little cynical and keeping your expectations low. I approach each situation as if I didn't have another healer. If it works out well, that's awesome; if they're out to lunch, at least you're prepared to keep things moving.