Kicked for not going into the belly in WoD

So, I was with my friend fighting against Cerberus as a healer, and the whole group said for DPS to go into the belly. I was against that, and so was he, but they did it anyway. With that people went and kicked him just because of that.

I can understand the discrepancy in play when it comes to DF Alliance Raids, but they shouldn't outright kick someone just because person doesn't do X.

The issue comes from the strategy. If you're only going to have a few DPS go in, you need a tank to go as well to grab the Unknowns or else they will kill the DPS (so a tank would have to be aware of this if the raid agreed on this start).

If all the DPS go in the walls die fast enough the Unknowns don't have time to kill anyone, so tanks can stay out and focus on the Wolfsbanes.

If the raid agreed to strategy #2, the tanks are going to assume they can change focus. If the DPS decide last second they would prefer to not get eaten, those DPS are going to be responsible for wiping the entire raid. That's why your friend was kicked. Majority rule for how to handle mechanics trumps personal preference. If said personal preference goes against the established start and could harm the success of the raid, expect consequences.

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Originally Posted by Velox

That's why your friend was kicked.

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His friend was kicked because at least 4 people in his party decided to abuse the Kick function, which as far as I know,can still be reported as harassment.

While I don't agree with your friends choices, he should not have been kicked. I apologize on behalf of the player base.

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Originally Posted by Bombast

His friend was kicked because at least 4 people in his party decided to abuse the Kick function, which as far as I know,can still be reported as harassment.

While I don't agree with your friends choices, he should not have been kicked. I apologize on behalf of the player base.

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Incorrect. It is a reasonable use of Vote Kick to remove someone who won't be a part of the team strategy. You cannot be reported for that. Well, you can. But GMs will throw that report away.

On the one hand, majority rules and they went with all dps in.

On the other hand, while I do prefer that method there have been times as DPS where I purposefully stay outside to ensure other mechanics are handled (Specifically chains, as sometimes there is a week where it seems half of us either A.) Lag out right at the wrong time, or B.) Just kinda drop the ball on that in general.)

I would not have kicked you over it since even with all DPS method you only need most DPS for it to work, but ultimately getting kicked is something we all have to put up with at one point or another regardless of what reason it was.

Poor play is a legit reason to kick somebody. Tell your friend they are not a special snowflake and to do what they are told. I really hate those people where you make a strat and they just ignore it like "I do what i want!" You find them in Titan Ex runs too when everyone stacks up and one person stands in the position everyone wants to dodge to then on the double WotL they screw everyone over >.<. I think most people would rather not play with somebody who is arrogant and not a team player. There was absolutely no reason he couldn't go in the belly except for him sulking that he didn't get to do things his own way. A full DPS team can enter and kill the belly in under 30 seconds it's not like it's a big deal to go in.

i stopped getting eaten as a dps in wod. if 15 dps have no trouble zerging down his stomach, losing one makes zero difference.

besides, have you tried tanking three wolfsbane at once because the third tank is incompetent? it's hell.

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Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie

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Just that he didn't want to go in the belly makes you say things like that
A.) he's a poor player
B.) not a special snowflake
C.) he should do what he's told
D.) you hate those people
E.) he's arrogant

Don't you think you're overreacting just a tiny little bit, hmm?

It is not imperative for every dps to go in the belly. I don't agree with the kick there. Now, depending on how the two of you phrased your 'disagreement' it's possible that was the reason instead.

I wouldn't have agreed to a Vote Kick if it were simply because a DPS didn't go in the belly. However, a majority of the group apparently thought that something was worthy of a kick or it would not have passed. How was this situation handled on your end?

Did the group decide on all DPS and then you quietly refused and just choose not to go in? Causing the group to potentually fail just because you are stubborn? Did you voice your disagreement in an aggressive way? If an alliance has an agreed strategy and you choose not to follow "just because" it isn't what you prefer, then it could be seen as a refusal to be part of the team. Again, I wouldn't have personally said yes to a vote kick just because a DPS didn't go in, but a player with a crappy attitude who won't be part of a team would get a swift yes.

Im not trying to say that was necessarily the scenario, but there's more than one side to every story and every side is generally self-serving. A majority vote to kick a player from the group is often labeled as "vote kick abuse", but the victim isn't always a legitimate victim. Sometimes they deserve it.