rouge

has anyone just done the rogue class with out doing the ninja?

You mean rogue? Not sure what you are asking, technically everyone who chooses to become rogue is not yet a ninja. Ninja requires a level 30 rogue.

Choosing not to become a ninja and taking rogue to 50 is not recommended as you will be significantly behind everyone in terms of dps and survivability in fights.

I prefer eye shadow over rouge, myself.

I'm not sure if anyone has done what you're asking, but I can tell you that there's no point in it. Without Fuuton your melee DPS will suffer incredibly.

i had the idea, but to lazy to lvlup xD (i hate the ninja-style, but i like daggers :O ) you can use some nice skills from bard. you will have 2 more damage cooldowns and the crit-buff. but i don't think he will make more damage than the ninja (or the same xD). but the damage will be enough and surely fun to play

Rogue would underperform quite a bit at 50 compared to Ninja. For one, the Soul Crystal gives you a stat boost. As a Rogue, you would also be missing all of the Ninjutsu options, while Ninja has access to all Rogue abilities. Staying Rogue means you would be purposely limiting yourself and disregarding the benefits of Huton, Suiton (allowing use of Trick Attack), Kassatsu, Shukuchi, etc.

I see no benefit or reason to stay Rogue once you have NIN.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i had the idea, but to lazy to lvlup xD (i hate the ninja-style, but i like daggers :O ) you can use some nice skills from bard. you will have 2 more damage cooldowns and the crit-buff. but i don't think he will make more damage than the ninja (or the same xD). but the damage will be enough and surely fun to play

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ive been experimenting with it and not 50 yet but seeing that materia is key to this. I have a few crafters at 50 so and other classes. I was looking for input on what cross skills others have had luck with.

Before 45 rogue with cross class skills is at least on par with ninja, but at 45 the ninjutsu destroys any bonuses rogue has. On top of raging/hawk's/straight, you also get mercy stroke from mrd.

yeah im trying to build the perfect formula on a class build with crossing and material based gear

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Originally Posted by Riepah

I prefer eye shadow over rouge, myself.

I'm not sure if anyone has done what you're asking, but I can tell you that there's no point in it. Without Fuuton your melee DPS will suffer incredibly.

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Rouge is OP if applied correctly. If you're really good at it, you can unlock the secret Cosmetologist job.

And I love that you spell Fuuton that way. Every time I see "Huton", my mental voice utters "wtf SE."

Rogue would probably be the worst option of a job-less dps.

You lose 15% attack speed and trick attack in combat, which is huge. Then another 540 potency worth of ninjutsu per minute, the usual prime stat loss, and for what? Raging strikes and hawk's eye? Those won't amount to your trick attack contribution to a party let alone the attack speed buff.