Well, that might've just been the biggest "OH SH..." moment in the history of Final Fantasy since SPOILAR Aeris Dies!
But:
1) Ul'dah is now an enemy state, and the Eorzean Alliance now must be dissolved.
If the Monetarists actually believed Raubahn was in with the Scions in regicide, then they must conclude that Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb also are in league with the Scions.
Are we, then, effectively headed to war in 3.0, between the states of Eorzea?
With Ul'Dah now allied with the Dravinians/Garleans?
2) Why are we allowed to set foot back in Ul'Dah? And what of the Immortal Flames? We're going to need a new Grand Company in 3.0.
3) Why would the Crystal Braves not kill Alphinaud upon the exposition of their treachery?
4) Same with the Monetarists/Braves (esp. Ilberd) and Raubahn.
5) The Seventh Astral Era is over, and the Eighth Umbral Era has begun, correct?
6) And is Revenant's Toll now hostile territory, with the Garleans just to the west??
(2.x End SPOILERS) That's about seven shades of fouled up...
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04-13-2015, 06:20 PMStarcade(2.x End SPOILERS) That's about seven shades of fouled up...
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04-13-2015, 06:58 PMDalvy
We are still in the 7th Umbral Era I believe ^^
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04-13-2015, 07:01 PMChewy2ndWe're in the Seventh Astral Era now, the new era was declared after we took out Gaius and Ultima.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalvy
Umbral era's only begin when there has been a gigantic catastrophy, usually. -
04-13-2015, 07:52 PMBelhi
1) Ul'dah sees us and the scions as criminals. The Monetarists are using the law against us by framing us. Likewise Raubahn. If he hadn't attacked Teleji likely they would have been hard pressed to lock him up since he at that point hadn't done anything illegal. He would have been discredited but they couldn't remove him so easily. Because the GCs didn't get involved they kept themselves clear of anything that would paint them guilty of anything. The Monetarists aren't going to start making wild accusations against foreign powers without some actual proof. That would undermine their own credibility.
The Eorzean Alliance still exists, at least on paper. If it collapse we would likely be facing an imminent attack from Garlamald who would seek to take advantage of the discord. I don't think the Monetarists want that.
2) The WoL can enter Ul'dah simply because their reputation with the people has many doubting the accusations. It smells off. If we had fought back it might be different. As for why guards don't pull us up, the logical reason is either they don't recognise us, they recognise us and chose to look the other way cause the don't believe the charges or they recognise us and chose to look the other way cause they are terrified of actually trying to fight a legend.
The Immortal Flames still exist. While Raubahn commited a crime, that falls on his soldiers, not the GC. Fortunately for the Immortal Flames, Pipin just arrived back in the city and that gives them a leader to take command. The Monetarists have no legal grounds to move against Pipin and still need the military strength of the Immortal Flames to help hold the borders against potential incursions by Garlamald and the Beast tribes.
3) Alphinaud is a very valuable hostage. His family is important in his homeland. His murder would be hard to explain away. As a locked away prisoner he can be used. As a corpse he becomes something that has to be explained.
4) Raubahn is a great fall guy. I think the Monetarists are being careful to appear to be working within the law. Raubahn is someone they can paint as a foreigner (he was originally an Ala Mhigan refugee) who weaselled his way into power to try and seize the throne. I wouldn't be surprised if they paint Raubahn involved in Nanamo's assassination. Do remember that Raubahn's right hand just recently turned out to be a Garlean spy.
5) I think they called the Seventh Astral Era a bit early but technically its still supposed to be that.
6) Revenant's Toll is mainly held by the Adventurer's guild and only Ishgard really has a claim to sovereignty over it. Ishgard is happy enough to leave it as is though since it secures their southern border. The Crystal Braves however have free reign of the town and while the Adventurer's guild might chose to look the other way to aid us when we visit the town, they can't actively support us while we are fugitives accused of regicide. Kind of like Gridania and Limsa. -
04-13-2015, 08:27 PMlololinkThe end of the umbral eras are mostly chose by the leaders of the city states, and they chose the defeat of Gaius as the end of it, although if you consider the 7th Umbral Era as the time where Bahamut threatens the land it ends when you complete the Coil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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04-13-2015, 08:31 PMlilirulu1. Calling Ul'dah an enemy state is jumping the gun. While the issue with the Sultana's murder is worrying disbanding the alliance over it is too risky. The Garleans would no doubt swoop and take over Eorzea with ease if they got a foothold in any of the city states especially Ul'dah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starcade
The only one who accused Raubahn of regicide was Lolorito (and not publicly) and that was after he sliced and diced that rotten popoto, Teledji, in two. It's hard to not connect the dots that way in such a scenario. The other GC leaders didn't do anything to make it seem like they were also in on the crime (in fact Teledji went out of his way to make them seem innocent in comparison to the Scions).
2. Gameplay, mostly. If they locked people out of Ul'dah/Immortal Flames after 2.55 it'd unbalance PvP and would prevent people from leveling the jobs within Ul'dah if they hadn't already.
Though every guild leader within Ul'dah is on our side so they most likely pay off/threaten any Brass Blades/Crystal Braves that try to arrest us. Or they are simply too scared to try and arrest the Warrior of Light: Slayer of Primals, Ultima Weapon and also killed a few high-ranking Garlean Generals.
3. Actually did they ever say how Alphinaud escaped? Them not killing him isn't surprising Teledji seemed to want all the Scions and WoL alive. For some reason that hasn't been explained Teledji wanted all the Scions (presumably) alive but that plan fell apart after he fell apart.
4. They need Raubahn alive for some reason. Why? Not explained.
5. The 8th Umbral Era began after Cartenueu/Dalamud's fall 5-6 years prior to 2.0's start. The Grand Company leaders declared after Operation Archon that we are in the 8th Astral Era (but that's all PR).
6. Even though the Crystal Braves are in Mor Dhona I doubt they have much control. 99% of Revenant's Toll's Population is adventurers who if they do know us know we didn't do it or at least aren't stupid enough to try and take us on. Rowena probably has the most influence over the whole area. And do you think Rowena is gonna betray her Allagan Cash Cow? -
04-13-2015, 09:01 PMCarawayFor these two points, you can actually talk to a Crystal Brave sitting in Mor Dhona. He's scared witless to even see us there. Most people aren't likely to come after the WoL without a large party to support them (like what happened within Ul'dah).Quote:
Originally Posted by Starcade
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04-13-2015, 09:04 PMlololinkAlso trying to arrest you in Ul'Dah would cause a civil war between the GC and the brass blades, in Mor Dhona they'd get their throat cut by a ninja before even touching you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caraway
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04-13-2015, 09:24 PMZul
another thing, and correct me if im wrong but, most people dont actually know what happened they just think the sultana is ill not dead, so out right declaring what we did to the public would cause an uprising. They most likely think we are only wanted for treason and plotting with garleans or some such.
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04-13-2015, 10:07 PMJandorThis one is easy, Lolorito goes down to Raubahns cell at least once a day to gloat and explain his evil plans in true evil genius fashion ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by lilirulu