Fey Light in FCoB

Hello healers, I have one question about Selene's usage in FCoB.

When my static were at T11, they asked me to put Selene away because her Skill Speed buff was too much for our DPS, Monk specifically. After a while I realised that it must be due to TP draining and the Bard having to play Paeon more frequently to compensate.

However, what I want to know is has anyone actually calculated the impact it would have on overall party DPS? Or does anyone have a more in-depth reason for why Fey Light should not be used?
While I can understand the Skill Speed buff will alter the way the Bard has to play, it still doesn't seem right that such a significant buff would actually cause problems rather than more DPS output. And surely it's still right to use Selene when farming FCoB?

(I saw a similar thread to this in the DPS section, but they were talking about dungeons. This thread is specifically for FCoB, as I see no reason to not use Selene in any other content.)

At the end of the Day there is no true answer ....

I use Eos because I'm in cleric like 85% of the time now in FcOB ...so I figure the plus 20% heals to the WHM on top of a 500 tick whispering dawn every minute help the WHM Heal a lot easier while I focus more of the DPS aspect of our job. Selene is very useful and if healing is a non issue I would suggest using her unless you plan on dpsing ...her heal out put is viable but you lose 20% raw healing ability on top of AOE HoT heals with Selene in the picture....Fey Illumination x Whispering Dawn + Rouse has saved a wipe from missed towers on a many occasion as the tick is on par with the bleeding on top of a WHM Illumination + Medica II so Eos is very viable option even while farming.

Selene's usage in FCoB does have an impact on the overall party DPS, however, if you don't have a ninja to goad your physical dps it would ultimately serve as a dps loss as your bard would have to play paeon, instead of playing foe.

As a SCH, you could be dpsing the boss or add while having eos assisting your WHM with the healing with fey illumination/whispering dawn and putting out, ultimately, more dps than Selene impacts to the raid-wide dps while YOU the SCH is assisting with the heals. Since in the end, your bard would have to sing paeon longer and sooner due to the faster cooldown usage of invigorate, hastily decreasing raid wide dps - since as I have mention, could've been singing foe to increase magical damage.

Depends on your raid group's overall DPS and people's gearing preferences (ie. the amount of SKSP someone has) as well as the group composition. Having a NIN of course helps with the TP a bit.

That being said, I perma-Selene everything in general. When everyone but the WHM in your raid group are doing 300+ DPS on all turns but T13, the encounters become so goddamn short you don't need to do long TP songs anyway. T12 and T13 have some forced down time for TP ticks anyway (T12: P2 to P3 transition and the plume phases. T13: each Megaflare Dive set and Teraflare countdown - the latter becomes a full-fledged picnic).

TP songs to keep the ball rolling don't cut down the BRD's DPS enough for Selene to not be worth it. My raiding group doesn't have a NIN in it.

Yeah the whole selene >bard paeons more > less foe's > lower overall dps is just bonkers and is kind of farfetched.

This monk of yours is he stacking skill speed? if he is and it's just him going dry early. could they consider less SkS, more det/crit.

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TP is a tricky thing. Even though it regenerates more than MP during combat, it can't ever be made higher than 1000. So they have to rely on Invigorate, (possibly Goad if they're lucky), that natural regeneration, and Paeon.

When a TP using DPS has too much skill speed, sure they can get damage out quicker, but without many ways to restore their TP and the natural regeneration unable to keep up with the increased output of skills, they might find themselves TP spent.

They rely on that natural TP regeneration a lot more than us DoM classes realize. I didn't understand that myself until I started playing Bard and somehow managed to get myself full i110 with nothing but Skill Speed. Ugh.

It is mathematically impossible for 0 cost haste to ever be a dps loss. You don't have to play peon. you can just postpone your attacks for tp.
Even if the dps sit there and don't attack because your they are completely out of tp, you still did the same number of abilities (at a minimum per time). Chances are you did more abilities than without the haste, and more within buff timers (if your good), so in the real world it is always dps gain.

The potential for loss comes at the opportunity cost of not using eos, which makes a dps loss is possible (per the amount of dps the SCH/WHM do). However, it is highly unlikely to ever be a loss, and far outside the realm of understanding for most individuals.

The only reason I see to consider holding back on fey light is if you want your TP-based DPS to not be starved at specific moment in the fight, i.e. on adds spawn or other phases like that where you need everyone to be able to perform at 100%.

I have been asking this in the DPS section to get a deeper insight in the impact on TP usage and possible change of rotations a higher Skill or SpellSpeed can introduce, maybe that is a factor for some players.

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It is mathematically impossible for 0 cost haste to ever be a dps loss. You don't have to play peon. you can just postpone your attacks for tp.
Even if the dps sit there and don't attack because your they are completely out of tp, you still did the same number of abilities (at a minimum per time). Chances are you did more abilities than without the haste, and more within buff timers (if your good), so in the real world it is always dps gain.

The potential for loss comes at the opportunity cost of not using eos, which makes a dps loss is possible (per the amount of dps the SCH/WHM do). However, it is highly unlikely to ever be a loss, and far outside the realm of understanding for most individuals.

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That is pretty much it, and to put it simply "the damage has already been dealt" and it's always a DPS gain. It does help to have a NIN or DPS that can use Invigorate at the right time for those heavy phases like T11 adds.

I use selene as we have a NIN, but even then our MNK doesnt call for Goad we dont play AP except for transitional phases, is he popping invig at right times?