Yoshida-san - Please KEEP +1, +2, +3 Levels of HQ Weapons + Armor + Tools

Hi All,

As you may have heard, Yoshida-san has mentioned that they are currently aiming to get rid of +1, +2, and +3 HQ Items in favor of just a "NQ" (Normal Quality) and one type of "HQ" (High Quality) Item.

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Naoki_Yoshida: We are planning a revamp for HQ item synthesis from Patch 1.20 on. Currently, there are multiple qualities of HQ items, which can get confusing. To fix this issue, we plan on separating these items into normal quality (NQ) and high quality (HQ).

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The above post hints that the reason they want to get rid of +1, +2 and +3 Weapons and Armor is because they "can get confusing." Huh?! :confused: I don't recall ever seeing an outpouring of complaints on these SE Forums from people crying that +1, +2, +3 Crab Bows are "too confusing" and no one understands how to use them.

Yoshida-san has also mentioned Server Space issues:

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Naoki_Yoshida: I receive a lot of suggestions to increase inventory space or make inventory unlimited, but it is impossible to possess every single item (which is increasing constantly through updates) on a single character. Please understand that this is physically impossible, because there is a cost related limit to server storage (the location where everybody’s character data is stored). In order to increase stored data, (tens of thousands of characters x numbers of items x bytes of each item) there is no other option but to increase hard drive size. Basically, charging fees for additional storage options exists to combat this issue.

Even for stand-alone package games, the size of the save data is greatly affected by the number of items, so the numbers of items and the size of each item are determined by available server space.

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I also know that for many people, the lack of inventory space is their primary reason to want to get rid of +1, +2, and +3 Weapons, Tools and Armor.

But I have to ask Yoshida-san and everyone:

• Is the problem truly with the *concept* of +1, +2 and +3 Weapons, Armor and Tools? OR, is it because there's not enough Space (Server Space and Individual Retainer Space)?
  
  Because it sounds like for many people, the frustration is lack of Inventory. And Yoshida-san even hints at a lack of Server Space.

If that's the case, then the reason the FF Team wants to kill +1, +2, and +3 Weapons, Armor and Tools is a flawed reason: They're not doing because they fundamentally "disagree" with +1, +2, +3, but because Square-Enix doesn't have enough Server Space and they're finding a bandaid method to temporarily resolve this issue.

Personally, I like have +1, +2 and +3 Weapons, Armor and Tools. For example, for me:

• +1 Sword = Something that's slightly better than a Normal Sword. It provides a little more of an edge in Attack Power, Accuracy, etc.

• +2 Sword = Rarer than a +1. It's a higher goal for adventurers and crafters to strive for. It's an upgrade over a +1, which is an upgrade over NQ. Gives even more of an edge.

• +3 Sword = Rarest of them all. This is the upper bound. The highest stats for that particular item you can get. It's very hard to make, but when you get one, you feel a sense of accomplishment for gaining one.

With a conversion of everything in our game to just 2 settings: NQ or "HQ" (1 version), we start getting a more homogenized, similar experience.

Sure, Yoshida-san is hinting that our current +3 will most likely be the "HQ" in the future, but still, all everyone will see is just 2 states. People who have Normal Quality, and then 1 state of "HQ."

Of course we'll still have Materia to customize our Weapons / Armor further, but fundamentally, we lose some variety by removing +1, +2 and +3. I can live with either system, but there's a sense of loss and a feeling that the *reason* behind removing it is merely to temporarily solve some Inventory Issues (for Players) and Server Storage Issues (for SE).

If people had a Mog House (and more Storage), would those that are complaining about +1, +2, +3 Weapons / Armor / Tools have a problem then?

Thanks~

I agree. zehnzeichen

I don't really know of anyone holding onto different HQ versions of the same tool or weapon in the first place. They'll carry whatever highest HQ item they have.

This is mainly to relieve the frustration of collecting mass amounts of HQ mats to synth a finished product only to get the dreaded NQ. Despite what Yoshi says, this system really looks like it will encourage HQ flooding unless making HQ materials is like a 5% conversion rate.

NQ & HQ+3 is fine with me, using the materia system to make the quality of NQ like a +1, +2 should be enough.

I certainly love having inv space of 100/100 on my main, 100/100 on retainer#1, and 99/100 on retainer#2... So, no to this, i like the ideas presented by Yoshi_P, unless all +1 +2 mats are done away with, and we get Monogrinders for our weapons and armor..

since +1/2/3 (and all) parts are being done away with, that's inventory space right there. Call it a wash. (a lot of crafters save inane parts when they HQ)

I also like the +1,+2,+3 system and I'm also not sure, if it really helps that much regarding the storage problem.
A bigger issue in my opinion is that the game forces you to have multiple crafts and multiple fighting classes.
80% of my inventory is just equipment for the different classes.
Multiple crafts means also far more mats.

But something has to happen that's for sure. I'm not even playing crafting classes and i sell a lot of stuff to npcs and i have like 40/300 free inventory spaces. Usually on my character, which get filled up in few hours during leves and fighting.
There are simply too much ingredients, items you get and need.

I actually think that the +1+2+3 system propagates too much redundancy in the system, so I don't mind it going away. If it resolves some server issues at the same time, then all the better.

I think the "confusing" part that Yoshida is referring to is the fact that it doesn't really tell you what a [Crab bow + 1] gives you in stats compared to a [Crab bow +3]. You can't look at it and say 'ahh I get +10 damage and +6 accuracy' it just has stars next to it. Clearly the +3 > +1 but there is no quantifiable numbers associated with them, hence confusion.

I'm semi torn in this issue because I like seeing +1 and +3 items however I rarely see any +2 items and I'm afraid that in the future people will ONLY want HQ items. Granted I would like all HQ+3 items now, its just that money wont permit it. Also, the fact that you will only be required to have full HQ crafting mats to guarantee a HQ finished good.

Thinking about this now...that will mean that the lowest part in the mats will be required to be HQ (tin ore, iron ore, etc..) to create a HQ ingot then HQ plate etc... I expect crafting to get a whole lot more intense as well as DoL classes. We will need all those HQ mats!

I'm personally a fan of the current crafting system. If there's any complaints against it, it's because it seems getting HQ items is 'random luck' or 'too hard' for some folks. Some people aren't willing to experiment and attempt to understand the current system so they'll dismiss it as random. And now, as a result, we've got a guaranteed 100% chance of HQing something if you have HQ mats? Call me what you will, but I'm against dumbing down a system and make it as easy as possible for people.

That being said, there does seem to be more complaints about inventory space than the crafting system. I've never had a problem with inventory space, but I can assume that's because I don't carry around NQ, +1, +2, and +3 versions of various items. I've got it limited to the gear I use for crafting, for gathering, for pugilist, and for gladiator, whatever I'm grinding on for my current DoL, the Holiday / event items, and some various other things such as my eyepatch collection and some beastcoins. I'm only using about 180 out of my 300 inventory slots and most of that is the gear and items I've gotten from past events.