Alchemist Potions: Still Lame, 40 levels later...

So we now have people crafting item level 110 gear...but Alchemist potions are Still a Joke.

The Mechanics of the Potions do not reflect the Quests or Main Story.

People say that if potions were any better, the economy would crash. That's just hyperbole. People say the potions are useful, fine the way they are. That's wishful thinking.

The Market has spoken, Potions are worthless.

1. I recommend potions have their cool down reduced to something closer to 20 or 30 seconds, like the Ninjitsu recasts.

2. if the potions were 10 times more powerful than they are now, they would still be 5 times weaker than combat classes of half their level. That's a lot of room for growth.

Maybe you could add 2, 3, and 4 star alchemy attack potions, like Acid, Burning Oil, and Something like Nitroglycerin with an AOE? I think that would be a respectable 4 star potion.

Thinking on the nitro Potion, I recalled the Machinist might have guns which implies gunpowder, so we might have Powder Grenades or similar Explosive Potions that operate kind of like the Quests items do. Again, 3 or 4 star.

A Grenade would be like 4 star and decent damage, while an acid Vial might be a decent Damage over Time 3 star recipe.

Xpots and ethers are still useful and always have been.

The design decision was so that players never feel pots are 'necessary' but provide a means for a small power boost for those who choose to use it.

alchemist is irrelevant since...... 2.0 lol

cant think of anything beyond 2stars that i will use as a DOW/M during battle :/

at least for cul. 3star and 4star food are viable !!

i would like to have new XXpots of Dex please ^^ double the duration? shorter cooldown? extra dex points %?

I just wish they would either cut cooldown in Half or increase duration to 30 seconds.

That and dont let stat potions set ethers and heal potions have the same CD x.x at least keep it to the same types like stat potions share cooldown with other stat potions and ethers share cooldowns with heal potions and elixirs.

Then again I still go through those potions a lot.

Edit: How do you say 4 star food is viable? Is the 10 vit really worth it? Because its pretty hard to get full benefits of even 2 star foods >_<

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Originally Posted by castillle

I just wish they would either cut cooldown in Half or increase duration to 30 seconds.

That and dont let stat potions set ethers and heal potions have the same CD x.x at least keep it to the same types like stat potions share cooldown with other stat potions and ethers share cooldowns with heal potions and elixirs.

Then again I still go through those potions a lot.

Edit: How do you say 4 star food is viable? Is the 10 vit really worth it? Because its pretty hard to get full benefits of even 2 star foods >_<

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if you fish Emperor Fish (which i heard not that hard to get). flint caviar is really good and cheap to make for a 4star recipe. it gives me +2 extra crit and +5 accuracy and +5vit in comparison to apk oml. for my current gear set.

and remember 1 recipe = 3 flint caviar. 270sol = 9 borax + 9 emperor fish = 27 flint caviars. ^^ (it requires 1 borax per synth).

my point is that at least cul have some options to use for 4star. for those who want to max their stats to optimal.

alchemist on the other hand...... ggs since 2.0. all glamor stuff.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

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None of the fishes use in the new recipes roll in that "fast" persay, especially on the nature of mooch catching. On a good day I'd get maybe 2-3 of them within the span of 45 minutes to an hour, versus catching say...worms of nym or aetherlouse within 1-3 minutes because I don't need to get an HQ catch for it.

None of the foods still match the stat weigh to me compared to the rissoto; no det and too much accuracy, so meh.

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

and remember 1 recipe = 3 flint caviar. 270sol = 9 borax + 9 emperor fish = 27 flint caviars. ^^ (it requires 1 borax per synth).

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I somehow keep forgetting that 4stars are x3 per synth. Which makes it more understandable why people are selling Flint Caviar HQ for 20k each even though the Emperor Fish are selling for 35k each! I couldn't wrap my head around this until you reminded me lol Makes sense.

What i dont understand is why people eat Flint in the first place. In order to maximize (get the full benefits of) the meals stats you need the following base stats before the food becomes usable:

Flint Caviar (4star)
CRIT: 660 (lol)
VIT: 560
ACC: 533

Apkallu Omelette (2star)
CRIT: 540 (difficult to achieve by most DPS classes in BiS sets)
VIT: 380
ACC: 550 (Most DPS can't achieve 550 base acc)

Am i missing something here? By these calculations you cant even max the CRIT and ACC from Apkallu Omelettes!? What makes you even think you can come close to Flints?

You said that its an increase of +2 Crit and +5 Acc but the only gains you can possibly achieve are the VIT ones. So essentially people are eating Flint Caviar for the bonus HP and nothin else? Seems kind of pricey. As far as i know the only usable 4star foods are Bacon Bread and Triple Cream Coffee (FCoB Bis Healers only)

At the end of the day i'm a Chef on my server so if people keep eating it i'll keep cooking it while laughing my way to the Bank! If your a Richie Rich and you light cigar's with 100$ bills who am i to judge! lol For the comon folk just trying to make a living though:

TLDR: You dont need Flint cuz u cant max the stats! Stick to Apkallu Omelettes and you'll do just fine.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

What i dont understand is why people eat Flint in the first place. In order to maximize (get the full benefits of) the meals stats you need the following base stats before the food becomes usable:

Am i missing something here? By these calculations you cant even max the CRIT and ACC from Apkallu Omelettes!? What makes you even think you can come close to Flints?

You said that its an increase of +2 Crit and +5 Acc but the only gains you can possibly achieve are the VIT ones. So essentially people are eating Flint Caviar for the bonus HP and nothin else? Seems kind of pricey. As far as i know the only usable 4star foods are Bacon Bread and Triple Cream Coffee (FCoB Bis Healers only)

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I use it as a tank instead of bacon bread on t13 because lol parry. Bards who are stacking crit to the heavens currently get use out of the higher cap, possibly BLM as well if they are following the crit BiS. SCH maybe, no idea what their itemization is like. Everyone else really has no business using the food, and even if they do they should be using it in raids only. As nice as the prices are its just impossible to fill demand right now, all the cashed up buyers want stacks of the stuff to use in every fight ever like there's always 33+ emperor fish sitting on the mb and a craft will never fail. I wish people would appreciate how bottle-necked supply is by the fish, and if you think it's an easy catch by all means go out and farm it you'll make millions.