Thief should be a subjob.

Rogue should be a starting class while Thief should remain as a subjob - akin to FFXI. Ninja aside, what kind of skills that makes Thief valuable and differentiate from Rogue? Throw some ideas, borrow some ideas from FFXIV.

I will scourge FFXI Wikipedia.

Specializing in covert actions, Thieves (THF) aim for the perfect opportunity to attack the enemy. Using Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, thieves can inflict massive amounts of damage while 'tricking' the enemy into thinking it was someone else. Thieves also have the ability to steal amounts of enmity from players in their party with the abilities Accomplice and Collaborator. These abilities help to control the party's enmity levels, and trick enemies into thinking that the party's tank is the primary threat. Players starting the game as a Thief receive an Onion Knife.

I will never understand peoples desire to get Thief into this game. Rogue is Thief in all but name.

Thieves also have many tools at their disposal to get out of sticky situations in the game. Not only do they possess the highest Evasion rating in the game, but they also have abilities such as Flee and Hide, which allow them to escape most dangers unharmed. Additional abilities such as Steal, Mug, Gilfinder, and Treasure Hunter, as well as their unique ability to pick Treasure Chests and Treasure Coffers with their thief's tools, makes the Thief the optimal choice for acquiring gil and items.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Thief

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

I will never understand peoples desire to get Thief into this game. Rogue is Thief in all but name.

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Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

I'm really liking Rogue so far. But I don't wanna turn Ninja. I don't like the stigma attached to it. I'd much rather play as a Thief. I really hope they introduce alternate job paths for each of the different classes.

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Originally Posted by Brightwizard

Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

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If you read the story at all, rogues are thieves.

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Originally Posted by Brightwizard

Rogue is classified as a scoundrel - a damage based class. Thief employs trickery, a trickster in itself and a mugger of treasures, also a damage based class as well.

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The problem is this; Naoki Yoshida (FFXIV's director) wanted to call Rogue, "Thief". However, the lore team said that that wouldn't fly because having a guild of thieves inside of a city state wouldn't make sense. Could you imagine down the street from your house are a bunch of blatant criminals who teach you that you should be robbing other people? So because of this line of thinking Thief was renamed to Rogue.

It also has Thief from FFXI's most known moves in it, as well as the iconic skill, "Mug". So unless they decide they want to add Thief as a secondary job to Rogue, we can just assume that Rogue is Thief and that's the end of the train of thought for the people currently working at SE. You don't have to like it but as per my sig, I perfectly understand why it'd be pointless (check that link if you want the full story).

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Originally Posted by Exstal

The problem is this; Naoki Yoshida (FFXIV's director) wanted to call Rogue, "Thief". However, the lore team said that that wouldn't fly because having a guild of thieves inside of a city state wouldn't make sense. Could you imagine down the street from your house are a bunch of blatant criminals who teach you that you should be robbing other people? So because of this line of thinking Thief was renamed to Rogue.

It also has Thief from FFXI's most known moves in it, as well as the iconic skill, "Mug". So unless they decide they want to add Thief as a secondary job to Rogue, we can just assume that Rogue is Thief and that's the end of the train of thought for the people currently working at SE. You don't have to like it but as per my sig, I perfectly understand why it'd be pointless (check that link if you want the full story).

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You don't have to indoctrinate me with your opinion. Your sig means nothing.

Except, aside from the sig, it was 100% fact.