[Spoilers Don't Hover] Friend Mentioned to me how X Job should or could be re-worked.

The story mentions how Ice Heart wields the power of the Echo, and how the Echo allowed her to retain consciousness while embodying the primal Shiva.

Wouldn't it be cool if Summoners instead transformed into Demi-Primals and gained new skill sets for each? (Let's be honest the Egis are real dumb.)

It sounds like what Ice Heart did is what Summoners in theory should be doing; channeling the power of the Echo to wield the power of a Primal.

Except that's exactly the type of thing the Scions are trying to prevent from happening? It also required a mass amount of crystals.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

Except that's exactly the type of thing the Scions are trying to prevent from happening? It also required a mass amount of crystals.

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I feel like it would be different if a Hero is wielding the power rather than an enemy though. If the Echo allows them to retain their will, then why would it be bad?

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

I feel like it would be different if a Hero is wielding the power rather than an enemy though. If the Echo allows them to retain their will, then why would it be bad?

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Who knows to what degree you actually retain your will, though? We don't know Iceheart well enough to say.

Basically, this would move you from the "ally" category to the "potential threat" category so fast your head would spin.

I feel this is a nice idea for the class druid. The Druid become mobs then they make a job that allow them to become Demi-Primals. Also about the mass amount of crystals part remember that us adventurers have more aether. then normal NPC which is the reason we allow to teleport more often and even allow us to summon a % of a primal that we can control.

So making a job that allow you to take form of a primal should not be that hard. You wont look no where near as ice heart. But you take some look of the primal you becoming like ifrit you turn red have claws and unlock it's own spells just like SMN have new spell for each of there summons.

This wont break the game or the storyline. Becuase if becoming a primal is really that bad then what make SMN we summon a primal using our own Aether to control a small % of a full primal. So ya i love if they make a job that you can become a primal.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

Except that's exactly the type of thing the Scions are trying to prevent from happening? It also required a mass amount of crystals.

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I'm sure you could forego that by using an improved white auracite. Maybe trap the soul of an Ascian and use it as a permanent power source.

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I support the OP's idea. Perhaps this is Yoshi's way of sneaking Evolve into the game.

For SMN, no, just no. Not only would it completely go against the entire lore of the Job (who were Allagan mages that learned to bind a fraction of a Primal's essence to them which they then evoked as an 'egi' form), simple common sense would dictate that it would completely unbalance the whole battle system (to the point it would break the game with a ridiculously overpowered supersayian character that would result in a inevitable nerf, and SE being bombarded with players complaining endlessly about it). Really, it just opens up a whole new can of worms that I don't think SE are willing to bother with.

Considering back through the FF series characters that transform into another form are usually depicted as either a) antagonists who went insane from the transformation (Cid in FFXIII), or, if a protagonist, barely able to contain and control those powers, to the point they're forced to virtually never use them except in rare emergencies (Terra in FFVI, Vincent in FFVII), making the whole idea moot.

Really, this whole idea that SMN is somehow 'broken' and needs to be remade as something else is quite frankly ludicrious. SMN isn't changing, it works very well for what it is, SE has made that quite clear, so I don't think these sorts of threads are going to really get anywhere.

...Can we please let the SMN threads die?
These are getting repetitive and boring.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

This wont break the game or the storyline.

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Does no one remember why we are killing these things on a regular basis?

Allowing a Primal to exist on the material plane requires a large amount of Aether, Eorzea's life energy. And, as a few people have said in this thread, Transforming into a Primal while living in a country that fears and hates them, also being part of an organisation that is about "Ending the Primal threat on Eorzea" might raise a few eyebrows. That's not even going into the Garleans. Alphanaud Mentioned if the Garleans found out that if, not only the Beast tribes, the peoples of Eorzea could not only Summon the Primals but become their living vessels? It'll be all the excuse the empire needs for waging a full on Genocide campaign on all of Eorzea.

Food for thought.