Ninja seems a bit broken

Full uptime on a buff equal to GL3 skillspeed, 12% less damage (Venoms vs GL3 + FoF)

The latter, and traited mantra are the only things I can think of that MNK has, that Ninja doesn't. Everything else, NIN has it but better except for I guess dragon kick if you wanna count the fact that it reduces magic attacks.


MNK's top potency combo; BS, TS, Snap, bootshine is an assumed crit so.. 225+190+180, vs NIN's base Aeolian edge combo 670. DoT finisher (1+2+shadow fang) 790 potency. Throw in a WAR keeping up eye, Nin will pull even sillier numbers.

Ninjutsus? 2 seconds of downtime or so for GL3 tier skill speed. Kassatsu into Raiton for 540 potency (guaranteed crit). Katon for 2 mobs or more, 270 potency per mob. Suiton for 180, Trick Attack for the highest base potency in the game of 420 + 10% global damage debuff 10seconds, probably very silly with more than 1 NIN. Other skills more PvP focused, or situational in PvE.

As far as I can tell NIN has much better support than MNK, Mantra just isn't as useful as TP restoration. Higher potencies across the board overall, by far. I just hope I'm not the only one thinking it'll be a bit too strong.

In term of buff, Ninja is 22% down from Monk(GL 3 + FoF + Twin Snake).
Because of that, Ninja's auto-atk will be 22% (assuming additive coefficience) less than Monk's and auto-atk is roughly 30% of mDPS.
Most Monk' skill are roughly 10% poetency lower than Ninja other than Shadow Fang which is definitely strong with 440 potency (i didn't get the 790 potency you present).
From my estimation, it seems Ninja personal ST dmg is 5-10% lower than monk. In term of AoE, Ninja doesnt seem to have a lot of attractive option.
I am pretty happy with thh fact that Ninja dmg is lowee than monk which it should. A lot of their potential damage is from TA's debuff so they shouldn't have higher dps than monk. I would say Ninja should have even lower ST dps than Dragon.

Just my 2 cents

Well Ninja just came out so none know exact potency yet of Ninja, i think it has the potential to be on par or in some situations do more dmg then Monk actually.
* I said potentially, so don't you monks come take a rage on me, lol
Really players need to actually unlock Ninja, optimize rotations and test in coil and EX Primals to get a better idea of it's potency

Better to release it and have it end up being overpowered (if that is the case) and adjust accordingly than release it as a weak class imo.

You can't just compare potency like that. Mnk has much lower gcd.you are really devaluing mnk

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Originally Posted by Izsha

You can't just compare potency like that. Mnk has much lower gcd.you are really devaluing mnk

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Ninja also has a 15% increased attack speed from Huton which is the same as GL3. The real question is if they can keep that going for majority of the fight. If you can keep it up then their GCD is no different than monk.

Ninja also has a debuff 10% damage taken on target for 10s that profit the whole party, depending on the dmg of others DPS it can probably concur on the DPS loss from buff.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

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Whoops. Missed verification after it went live that it includes skills. None the less, mnk still has more than enough oomph on paper as has already been described above and what it lacks from mnk in raw power it makes up in trick attack, more reasonable stun and silence options, and tank slashing buff. Just play mnk with a nin to give them free tp. This game has done a brilliant job to encourage synergy over stacking a single job. In the VAST majority of all cases whm+sch is better than doubles. War+pld better than doubles. 4 of 1 dps is inferior to a number of more rounded out setups and nin looks to expand this concept instead of crap on it.

Ironically, mnk is the only dps you could have 4 of and give other combinations a run for their money in raw power, but is so limited in other non-combat qualities that it's not practical.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Whoops. Missed verification after it went live that it includes skills. None the less, mnk still has more than enough oomph on paper as has already been described above and what it lacks from mnk in raw power it makes up in trick attack, more reasonable stun and silence options, and tank slashing buff. Just play mnk with a nin to give them free tp. This game has done a brilliant job to encourage synergy over stacking a single job. In the VAST majority of all cases whm+sch is better than doubles. War+pld better than doubles. 4 of 1 dps is inferior to a number of more rounded out setups and nin looks to expand this concept instead of crap on it.

Ironically, mnk is the only dps you could have 4 of and give other combinations a run for their money in raw power, but is so limited in other non-combat qualities that it's not practical.

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Oh, I wasn't arguing that ninja is broken or over power...or even under powered. Real testing will have to be done to determine where it stands. I was just simply stating that GCD between monk and ninja should be roughly the same due to Huton pending uptime of course. Eyeball comparisons of skills and potency alone won't tell us anything until we get some real hands on testing to see uptimes on buffs or the frequency at which you'll be able to use certain skills.

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

Ninja also has a debuff 10% damage taken on target for 10s that profit the whole party, depending on the dmg of others DPS it can probably concur on the DPS loss from buff.

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That's highly situational, its' dependant on hide which prevents its use during combat unless you're off the hate table. Unless I'm missing a trait somewhere that throws Ninja into Stealth mid-combat.