Dragoon - 2 Drg's

Easy question, I think.

I know with Two Monks, having Two Dragon Kicks is just lost dps. But what about Disembowel?

Should you continue to Disembowel if you have two Dragoons for the DOT of Chaos Thrust, or have one DRG keep Disembowel up while the other only worries about Heavy Thrust?

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Originally Posted by Steady

Should you continue to Disembowel if you have two Dragoons

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Yes, the extra dps you would gain from an additional TTT combo does not outweigh the loss of your Chaos Thrust dot.

This is actually a potential problem in the future if they ever implement difficult 24 man raids - having more than one DRG is pretty pointless unless each party specifically has to attack different things.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

This is actually a potential problem in the future if they ever implement difficult 24 man raids - having more than one DRG is pretty pointless unless each party specifically has to attack different things.

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Well, if the above is correct, then Chaos Thrust DOT would always make it worth using, even if there's redundancy. Unless your disagreeing with ChaozK's post.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

This is actually a potential problem in the future if they ever implement difficult 24 man raids - having more than one DRG is pretty pointless unless each party specifically has to attack different things.

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That doesn't really make sense: having 2 of the dot rotations ticking at the same time is definitely not a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

This is actually a potential problem in the future if they ever implement difficult 24 man raids - having more than one DRG is pretty pointless unless each party specifically has to attack different things.

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Since piercing damage begin to shine when you got 3 in a group I kinda doubt it

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

That doesn't really make sense: having 2 of the dot rotations ticking at the same time is definitely not a bad thing.

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Not a bad thing but there's no raid wide benefit to having more than one CT combo on the same boss. If let's say DRG brings 450 DPS by itself, and lets every additional BRD do 40~ more, that's pretty strong. That's a lot of contribution from having a DRG. Every DRG after the initial DRG is bringing just the 450 DPS a DRG does, which is junk compared to 500~ DPS MNKs, BLMs doing close to that with Foe's, BRDs doing 450 with less movement and being able to sing Foe's, SMNs doing 450+ with a whole slew of advantages DRG doesn't have.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Since piercing damage begin to shine when you got 3 in a group I kinda doubt it

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I assume you're talking about BRD stacking with a DRG in the party. I think we're talking about different things; what I'm saying is, in a multi-party comp, after you get one Disembowel up, a DRG's natural DPS is on the low end after you consider Foe's Requiem, movement/dodging penalties, and just being less pure damage than MNK. It's normally balanced in 8 man parties somewhat (not considering stacking MNKs instead of taking a DRG), but when you've got 15 DPS attacking one boss like in ST, any more than one Disembowel going up is a waste and that DRG should be a MNK/BLM/SMN. More total DPS.

Disembowel = why you bring a DRG from a balance standpoint. Not a big deal yet but if there are ever organized 24 mans and nothing's different balance wise, people won't bring multiple DRGs unless the groups constantly attack different bosses.

What I just read was basically drg needs to be buffed.

Needs to be able to put out the same dps numbers as mnk and blm. That or if Nin also out dps' s drg, there is no real reason to play the class except for disembowel.

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Originally Posted by Leonus

What I just read was basically drg needs to be buffed.

Needs to be able to put out the same dps numbers as mnk and blm. That or if Nin also out dps' s drg, there is no real reason to play the class except for disembowel.

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What? DRG is ridiculous DPS if the player knows what they are doing... In no way shape or form do they need to be buffed.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

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OK, we were talking abut different things. Sorry.