How do you guys deal with?

Annoying people in DF?

I mean as a tank i really get annoyed when people don't follow my targets, I mean i do them for a reason in certain dungeons some mobs will spawn mobs if not killed(or stunned by me) Or do other stuff that we try to avoid. And its just easier for me to keep track of the hate(Unless we got 2 blms for example then i usually don't bother)

And when people just run in a group of mobs or attack mobs while i'm running to grab a larger group and expect me to run back with the other 8 mobs because he's to(lazy?) to run to the group.

I usually don't say anything and just try to behave nicely but if people do it again and again i'll just say "Guess who's gonna take over tanking for me" and just let him die if he keeps doing it after that.


What are some of the annoying things you encounter in the struggle that we call random people in DF? =P

Every time a DD does something that he clearly shouldn't, like pulling ST bosses, targeting and getting aggro on marked adds he shouldn't attack, I'll leave em to die, if they wanna tank let em and hopefully the healers are on the same page as me xD

As a player who's tanked in multiple MMOs you just learn to deal with it. Sure it's slightly annoying, but you're a tank, and above being a damage sponge, it's your job to keep hate and take it back from anyone who wants to steal it from you. There's plenty of tricks that will allow you to keep aggro off other players (barring that you don't have too much of a gap between item levels). To tell the truth, the fact that people don't necessarily follow the plan allows the DF to remain interesting. Being able to keep aggro on enemies despite them being targeted separately is what will net you those sweet commendations at the end.

Realize that yes, while other people can make your life easier for you by attacking your target, you must also realize that it doesn't give you the right to suddenly kick or stop doing your job when that player doesn't necessarily follow your carefully laid out battle strategy. Especially since this isn't your raid group, or even people who've necessarily played with a tank who's marked their mobs before, they are players of varying levels of skill and gear that are willing to play with people who they don't know. Keep in mind that while it may only take a split second for you to queue, it takes dps and sometimes even heals 15-30 minutes just to queue up for a dungeon even if it's a random.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

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Very well put.

After so many years of tanking I also try to "adapt" to my dps members. One way for example is to run in and flash, look wich mob is loosing alot of HP -> switch to him and generate aggro on that mob.

In a way I am following my DPS instead of the other way around ^^.

Ultimately its up to you how you see it. A daily dose of frustration or an interesting 20-30 min tank experience.

As above. Moreover, saying something doesn't have to be a bad thing. Take a moment to explain what the player is doing wrong (in a polite manner. I generally do so without calling the individual player out, unless it's about something minor or class-specific.). Realize that they likely are not doing these things to make you angry or mess up the group; they don't know any better! And unless someone teaches them otherwise, they're going to keep doing the same wrong thing with other groups.

People aren't always receptive of course. Sometimes language barriers get in the way, sometimes people don't read party chat, and sometimes the person becomes standoffish or is simply a troll, but unless you try to communicate, nothing good is going to come of the experience. You're just going to ruin your own time. Teaching someone can also be a very rewarding experience.

keep hate on all mobs

If it's a one off thing of not following markers or pulling ahead of tank, especially in those annoying pre sword oath days then I'll raise it once generally raise it a second time specifically (directing it solely at said early puller etc). If they continue to do it after I've given helpful advice to make my life and the healer's life easier, I'll usually let them do it. I'll grab the add once they die (and usually try to let the healer know in advance what I'm about to do, especially if it's a FC healer) and hope that teaches the lesson.

I'll explain the reasons for my marking, if they continue to hit out of order and in some cases deliberately pull off me I let them die. Sometimes if u see a dps doing this while I heal I also let them die.

I generally work on a 3 strikes and you can tank now deal.

There's few ways to deal :
1. Explain
2. Carry on w/o explain
3 and favorite one. Leave , let them enjoy wait times again ;)

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Originally Posted by Miyaka_Vigiles

Very well put.

After so many years of tanking I also try to "adapt" to my dps members. One way for example is to run in and flash, look wich mob is loosing alot of HP -> switch to him and generate aggro on that mob.

In a way I am following my DPS instead of the other way around ^^.

Ultimately its up to you how you see it. A daily dose of frustration or an interesting 20-30 min tank experience.

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This is what I do, I reserve marks for enemies that have to die first, and just attempt to adjust to the party behavior in all other cases. I feel like marking without voice chat makes battles more difficult to tank than just taking the time to practice and develop good conditional tanking abilities.

My reasoning is that IF your party is well behaved and you're on the same wavelength, marking will clearly make smaller pulls go a lot smoother. But when marking fails, it has a tendency to fail spectacularly if you aren't prepared to recover from it. Then, you waste 5-10 minutes arguing with DPS/whatever, and then they just do it again on the next pull. It's better just to develop strategies and skills for building/maintaining/recovering enmity.