Please Overhaul Dungeon Rules

I love this game but i'm not having fun lately and that's 99% because of roulette groups. Your rules are incredibly restrictive on kicking--long cd; not during combat; not while a chest is open (which some trolls obviously abuse to get a whole dungeon's worth of immunity)--and on leaving--30 minutes no matter how far you've gotten, how much time has elapsed, or how many wipes have occurred. You can even get penalized if you're not the first one to leave (no idea how this even works).
I'm not going to clog this with anecdotes but--bottom line--if I want out of a group for whatever reason I can: a) take a 30 minute time-out; b) go AFK until I get kicked and not get a time-out. That's stupid.
I think I'm just going to stop doing roulettes until you make some serious changes because it's sucking all the fun out of the game for me.

The whole reason there's a 30 minute penalty for leaving is to discourage people from rage quitting every single time something goes wrong. Leaving a group means you disrupt their game since they are now a man down, ergo, you are punished for causing an inconveniencing to others.

You can't change players, so if a group is giving you a hard time, eat the penalty, report, move on.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

The whole reason there's a 30 minute penalty for leaving is to discourage people from rage quitting every single time something goes wrong. Leaving a group means you disrupt their game since they are now a man down, ergo, you are punished for causing an inconveniencing to others.

You can't change players, so if a group is giving you a hard time, eat the penalty, report, move on.

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Or find nicer people to que with :D seriously I rarely have these issues in any dungeon groups.

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Originally Posted by Mazerat

I love this game but i'm not having fun lately and that's 99% because of roulette groups. Your rules are incredibly restrictive on kicking--long cd; not during combat; not while a chest is open (which some trolls obviously abuse to get a whole dungeon's worth of immunity)--and on leaving--30 minutes no matter how far you've gotten, how much time has elapsed, or how many wipes have occurred. You can even get penalized if you're not the first one to leave (no idea how this even works).
I'm not going to clog this with anecdotes but--bottom line--if I want out of a group for whatever reason I can: a) take a 30 minute time-out; b) go AFK until I get kicked and not get a time-out. That's stupid.
I think I'm just going to stop doing roulettes until you make some serious changes because it's sucking all the fun out of the game for me.

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Thank you for removing a bad player from the duty roulettes.

The reasons those safety measures are in place is so people can't just quit when things don't go there way.

btw the penalty for being the second person to leave should only happen if you have done something since the first one left.

The dungeon rules are just fine. The long CD prevents trolls from kicking people until they get a class they like (mostly a problem with 3-mans trying to fill that last DPS slot) or until their friend manages to queue in. It makes you think a bit before you waste your kick. Not during combat has several reasons not the least of which is that popup coming up mid-battle and causing a wipe. One big reason leads into why you can't kick after the boss dies or with loot in the pool. If you could kick during combat you could kick someone once the boss was a guaranteed kill to ensure you and your friends get to roll on everything. This is what can happen as well if you could kick with loot to roll on or the final chest on the field.

Miles explains the 30 mins pretty well also. It makes people think twice about rage quitting. Sure you can DC yourself but how long are you going to wait? I've countertrolled tanks who force DCed before. It was glorious. Guy lost more time trying to get kicked than he would have just running the dungeon with us clean. Vote Abandon exists for crappy runs and if the Abandon gets voted down.. well majority ruled and you have the choice to leave and eat the 30 or carry on. You aren't the only one in the dungeon and the other three people's time is just as valuable as your own. If people weren't trolls we wouldn't need these countermeasures but unfortunately trolls exist and a fairly large number of them.