Gosh darn it

Can someone share with me the conventional wisdom behind where each job should rank in DPS in an average fight, and what numbers your standard raider should be hitting in T6-T9?

I ask because my group was falling about 3,000 hit points short of defeating Rafflesia using the burn method about 4 times in a row last night, and I felt like I wasn't pulling my weight as an i98 MNK. The i94 DRG and I were very close in total damage done (I was slightly higher). I am using Wave Patas and he had the Allagan Spear.

I am by no means a perfect or top tier DPS player, but I don't feel like I suck - sometimes I will leave BFB un-activated for a bit too long or forgot to re-apply touch of death for about 10s, but I don't lose GL3 often, if ever.

Since I don't have access to a parser, I'm wondering if anyone has had experience with being an average MNK, then changing to practicing and focusing to an extreme degree on being perfect with rotations and DoT/Buff clipping, and saw a huge DPS improvement? Like a 30-40 dps improvement from that?

Sorry for the rambling and lack of clarity, I just feel disheartened that I wasn't a far-and-away leader in DPS, and I feel like as a MNK I am expected to be.

From my own experience;

1) Clip demolish if under 6s
2) Clip Touch of Death if under 3s
3) Always use CDs as they come up (except Perfect Balance)
4) You should obtain a parser for personal use (testing rotations and what have you)

Do you open with Perfect Balance? If tethered, are they quick breaks or do have to travel far to break them. As your going through your rotations I personally don't hold my offensive buffs I just use them as they are up. Now if you open and use a potion of strength, it should more than likely be up in time for the bee or super slug.

are you strafing to keep yourself facing the target? auto attacks contribute a lot to a monk's dps.

At your iLvl a MNK is expected to hit 360+ in certain fights. Sustaining 400+ if you're uninterrupted. This is taking T8 into consideration. From what I've heard, if you have the DPS to beat T6 with the burn strat, you have enough DPS for T8

Also, I wouldn't be too hard on yourself either. Last time I checked t6 thru 9 isn't solo, it's requires a team of 7 other ppl and communication. Just work on the things you think will improve your numbers. You'll get there, just try and keep a cool head about it and you'll get the clear.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

From my own experience;

1) Clip demolish if under 6s
2) Clip Touch of Death if under 3s
3) Always use CDs as they come up (except Perfect Balance)
4) You should obtain a parser for personal use (testing rotations and what have you)

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1 - Interesting, I have been trying to let it get down 1s or expiring to get myself another snap punch
2 - Yeah this is my biggest weak point in my rotation, I need to pay more attention to it. I probably need to re-do my UI so that I can see all my buffs and debuffs more clearly
3 - I try to save them (at least BFB) for times when I am not taking dmg or moving too much.
4 - I play on PS4, no can do. This is why I agree with SE on this, I am not able to use it at all so I feel that PC players get an advantage over me, haha.

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Originally Posted by duceTRE

Do you open with Perfect Balance? If tethered, are they quick breaks or do have to travel far to break them. As your going through your rotations I personally don't hold my offensive buffs I just use them as they are up. Now if you open and use a potion of strength, it should more than likely be up in time for the bee or super slug.

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Yes, of course I open with PB, usually Shoulder Tackle>PB>Demo>SP>SP>IR>DK>TW>BS>BFB>TruStr>Demo>ToD.
Usually I just have our melee players eat the vines if it isn't on a spit to build LB, we have a BRD do mana for the WHM so it isn't really an issue. But when we break them its quick, I will either try to stay in melee range of the boss or run out and then should tackle back - FoW>FoF if I think its prudent.
I was using Potion of STR after first blighted to ensure we pushed through with just 1 bee, so it wasn't available in P3 ever.

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Originally Posted by Chokee

are you strafing to keep yourself facing the target? auto attacks contribute a lot to a monk's dps.

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I could probably re-activate the joy-stick lock-on to do this, I took it off because I would lock on accidentally in stuff like Titan HM or Twinny and get gonked by a landslide or twisters. I suppose I could just be a better player.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

At your iLvl a MNK is expected to hit 360+ in certain fights. Sustaining 400+ if you're uninterrupted. This is taking T8 into consideration. From what I've heard, if you have the DPS to beat T6 with the burn strat, you have enough DPS for T8

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That's horrible. I think on a mediocre run I did 280. That makes me feel like I suck ass. Is it possible that I am screwing myself really bad by losing auto attacks on movement with PS4 movements?

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Originally Posted by duceTRE

Also, I wouldn't be too hard on yourself either. Last time I checked t6 thru 9 isn't solo, it's requires a team of 7 other ppl and communication. Just work on the things you think will improve your numbers. You'll get there, just try and keep a cool head about it and you'll get the clear.

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I have a clear with the non-burn method. I just feel like as a MNK I should be outDPSing everyone unquestionably, and that since I feel like I'm a good player that should be exacerbated, and its obviously not the case.

Thanks guys - more feedback is appreciated.

If 280 is what you're getting it certainly sounds like you're losing auto attacks. Using a controller, click the left stick to lock on to the mob while you strafe from back to flank to avoid this problem. It takes some getting used to but it should help you largely.

Regarding Auto-Attacks:

When all of them are hitting, Auto-Attacks contribute about 30% of a Monk's DPS alone. If you know you're missing any of them, it'll be a boon if you fix it.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

4 - I play on PS4, no can do. This is why I agree with SE on this, I am not able to use it at all so I feel that PC players get an advantage over me, haha.

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Oh, hard life. In that case, get a PC friend who has a parser handy (and some free time) and spend time time with different rotations.

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Yes, of course I open with PB, usually Shoulder Tackle>PB>Demo>SP>SP>IR>DK>TW>BS>BFB>TruStr>Demo>ToD.
Usually I just have our melee players eat the vines if it isn't on a spit to build LB, we have a BRD do mana for the WHM so it isn't really an issue.

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This video is good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czzLF4IfFaM

So for you it'd be, Tackle => ToD => PB => combos => rotation