As a Paladin: Speedrunning and Enmity

Hello!

Recently, I've geared up to the point where tanking a speedrun is cheese on both my Paladin and Warrior (mitigation wise).

I main a Paladin (or I used to until recently) because I love the look, I'd much rather main him because of that. I leveled up Warrior recently to begin working on the Bear mount, and have found that I enjoy Warrior more simply because the insane amount of agro generation they have.

Let's take Brayflox HM for example. I can pull everything on the first big pull, and maintain agro over any Black Mage spamming Flare on my Warrior. Steel Cyclone and Overpower paired with Bloodbath healing agro just win the day.

On my Paladin, I find that losing agro in the same situation is far too easy. I can just barely keep the mobs on me! Flash only seems to do so much, and what I've found works best is to rotate each move of my Halone combo on monster after monster (Fast Blade + Savage Blade mob A, Halone Mob B, Fast/Savage Mob C, Halone Mob D and so on).

Is that really the only way? Or am I completely missing something huge here? Is my Warrior just that much better at maintaining group agro?

I want to play my Paladin more, but he just pales in comparison :( I hate it.

How do you other Paladins do it?

PS! I should add that I am using Circle of Scorn either before or after the first Flash, and am using it on cooldown during a pull.

You should try the tanking forums. You may get some better answers there. There are quite a handful of knowledgeable tanks who hover in that thread.

I speed run bray HM all the time with my PLD. I never have problem holding hate against i110 Weapon BLM and all I do is spam flash. (just have to make sure that every time you flash it hit all the mob, not just partial of the group)
when you holding 10+mob it useless to rotate you RoH combo, only thing you can count on is flash (Riot combo).

I'm not very knowledgable with tanking in this game. I'm only level 40 on my PLD and my MRD was only leveled to get a DRG, but I thought this was done purposely to add disparity between the two tanking options so both are viable in end-game? (Could be totally wrong here...)

I thought WAR was supposed to be superior in group agro and PLD was superior in single-target agro?

All I know it is a total b*tch trying to keep group agro on more than 2 mobs in low-level dungeons when the DPS are level synced. I don't have a problem tabbing through monsters, but like you said Flash only works so well (not well at all). What I end up doing is very similar to what you do. Use the different hate generation moves on different mobs so they don't just decide to mosey off towards the healer or the BLM or the BRD.

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Originally Posted by Remn

I speed run bray HM all the time with my PLD. I never have problem holding hate against i110 Weapon BLM and all I do is spam flash. (just have to make sure that every time you flash it hit all the mob, not just partial of the group)
when you holding 5+mob it useless to rotate you RoH combo, only thing you can count on is flash (Riot combo).

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Have you tried playing a similarly geared Warrior though? The difference in agro (looking at the party window agro bars) is just crazy... That's basically what I'm getting at. I am just trying to find out if I'm missing something stupidly obvious on my Paladin.

WAR was designed to be the AoE tank, so working as intended.

Flash, Circle of Scorn, spam flash till OOM. Fast blade, riot blade, flash, cricle of scorn.

By this time mobs will be dead before someone can take it from me.

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Originally Posted by Illya

WAR was designed to be the AoE tank, so working as intended.

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Yeah it looks that way now that I've played both at identical ilevels, but is the Halone combo really that much better than the Butcher Block combo on a single mob (like a boss)? If you think it is, do you agree about the difference between AoE agro generation of PLD vs WAR?

PS: I guess the plus of Halone would be the debuff to help lower the mob's damage, but I'm speaking of agro here.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

Flash, Circle of Scorns, spam flash till OOM. Fast blade, riot blade, flash, cricle of scorns.

By this time mobs will be dead before someone can take it from me.

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Thanks for reminding me. I edited my original post to include my use of Circle of Scorn. It's become so habitual to use it, I completely spaced including that detail!

I do have both PLD and WAR at 50.
WAR can gen. more agro with OP spam by a lot.
PLD will never win agro war against WAR on AOE pull, but both job can create enough agro so that DPS or healer cannot overtake them.
I still do prefer running it on PLD more than WAR , since holding agro is not an issue for me.
To me, PLD give more opportunity for Healer to DPSing in AoE pull (even chain cast Holy). the same is true for WAR but the timing is more difficult.