Good job on the Second Binding Coil of Bahamut

Not a troll post, I actually think SE did a good job on introducing new difficult content that is as fun as much as it is frustrating.

A lot of my FC members and friends feared that something like crystal tower would happen-- that they would make it difficult in development but then crack and make it much easier on release-- and thankfully they didn't.

I like seeing the kinds of potential there is for this game and I've been impressed so far on Turns 6-8. I know with more weathered gear and i110 drops from the earlier second coil turns that the Second Coil will essentially become easier, but I think the mechanics are actually challenging to master (at first) and it definitely feels rewarding as you beat each turn.

I just wanted to show some support for the new [subjectively] difficult content, and share my opinion that the developers should not be afraid to make future raids even harder.

I think they could focus a bit more on dongeons, becaus 2.2 ones are on par with 2.1 ones difficulty wise, while T6 seems nowhere near T1 in terms of mastering :(
Challenging content should not be exclusive to coil

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I think they could focus a bit more on dongeons, becaus 2.2 ones are on par with 2.1 ones difficulty wise, while T6 seems nowhere near T1 in terms of mastering :(
Challenging content should not be exclusive to coil

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Didn't they try this with Pharos and people complained?

I agree! I've only seen T6 and T7, but I'm really enjoying the new mechanics. Everyone has to be paying attention and work as a group, and it feels very satisfying. :D :D

IMO, of all 4 people team, Sirius Pharos is the hardest one, by far... Each boss have a gimmick and are challenging. It's hard, yes (for its ilevel requirement and reward) but fun and every win still feel like a true win, not just a simple "farm" step.

Halatali HM, Brayflox HM and Amdapor City feels way to easy in their mechanics compared to Sirius. But they did try to put some new mechanics and that's OK for me.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Didn't they try this with Pharos and people complained?

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Yes, there were a lot of complaints regarding Pharos.
I think a lot of the complaints stemmed from the iLvl requirements being too low for the difficulty of the dungeon and Pharos being grouped with much easier content in the Duty Roulette.

I personally would be all for more challenging dungeons as long as their iLvl requirements were of appropriate level and they were grouped with content of similar difficulty in the Roulette.

Coil is great, challenging fight, good drops. 1 thing that make me feel bad about coil is the entry system. I understand SE want to lock ppl out so they keep ppl on subscription to play this game, but wouldn't the old CT system work better? where you can get maximum 1 drop per week, but can enter as many times as you wish, so people can help each other out, or enjoy the fight more then once a week >.>. To me, the lockout just causes troubles in FC with 1 group that can clear it, and another that can't

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I think they could focus a bit more on dongeons, becaus 2.2 ones are on par with 2.1 ones difficulty wise.

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I like the 2.2 4 man dungeons, they weren't made difficult because they are farming dungeons used to gets tomes. If they were made difficult then they wouldn't serve the purpose of a farming dungeon, where people can do repeatedly over and over with any random team.


Even though they aren't hard, I still like the little gimmicks, scenery and music in them and have no problem doing them over and over for tomes.

My fc was really busy grinding out the other new content, atma, levi-ex, hildibrand, crafting, etc but our static finally stepped into t6 last night. It's a super fun fight. We were about 40% was our best but for only 2-3 hours I think we can get it this weekend, can't wait to see 7-9

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Didn't they try this with Pharos and people complained?

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Because people (not all) are idiots who can't do anything else than tank and spank mostly. PS is easy, really, even at minimum iL (most challenging thing at that iL being killing Siren before the healer is OOM). I even found Amdapor ruins more difficult because you have little time to mark the doors if you have bad memory, and in DF it can become hectic.

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Originally Posted by Dreey

I like the 2.2 4 man dungeons, they weren't made difficult because they are farming dungeons used to gets tomes. If they were made difficult then they wouldn't serve the purpose of a farming dungeon, where people can do repeatedly over and over with any random team.


Even though they aren't hard, I still like the little gimmicks, scenery and music in them and have no problem doing them over and over for tomes.

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The mechanics are really good and fun to discover, but really, we can't even talk about farming dungeons here. Brayflox is the new wandering palace, the place you can clear in 15 minutes while doing something else and just watching for AoEs... I have yet to wipe on it (except my very first run, the time to discover that the bombs had a very large radius).

Having farm dungeons is fine, but why can't we have one difficult dungeon each patch. A dungeon which would require more than 40 mins to clear on a first run...