Turn 6 feedback (minor spoilers)

I have been told that most groups who cleared the fight have been brute forcing through the last phase. I'd like to suggest increasing the boss hp by a certain % to force groups to actually do the mechanisms of that phase. Assuming burning through the phase wasn't intended with our current gear level, of course.

I just cleared it today with my group with what we think was a proper strategy (handling the adds rather than lb/ignoring them) and to be honest, it felt so much better.

What is your take on this, people? The fight feels awfully wrong when you burn through that last phase, I can't believe that would have been intended by the devs...

Other concerns, you can ignore the vacuum mechanism by out-ranging it, which feels totally broken and unintented

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Originally Posted by babas

I have been told that most groups who cleared the fight have been brute forcing through the last phase. I'd like to suggest increasing the boss hp by a certain % to force groups to actually do the mechanisms of that phase. Assuming burning through the phase wasn't intended with our current gear level, of course.

I just cleared it today with my group with what we think was a proper strategy (handling the adds rather than lb/ignoring them) and to be honest, it felt so much better.

What is your take on this, people? The fight feels awfully wrong when you burn through that last phase, I can't believe that would have been intended by the devs...

Other concerns, you can ignore the vacuum mechanism by out-ranging it, which feels totally broken and unintented

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I can see your point about the adds and making it cleaner, but I can also see the argument of it being no different than Turn 1 when you don't feed the snakes anymore. If you brute force it, you have to be able to push out some decent DPS to beat the "enrage" of this method, so I definitely don't see this being like the "enrage" method for Turn 2.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

I can see your point about the adds and making it cleaner, but I can also see the argument of it being no different than Turn 1 when you don't feed the snakes anymore. If you brute force it, you have to be able to push out some decent DPS to beat the "enrage" of this method, so I definitely don't see this being like the "enrage" method for Turn 2.

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I understand this, but I don't think people managed to do a Turn 1 burn with entry gear level when it came out, correct? That's more of my concern. The fight is really well tuned to become "nerfed" simply by gearing up, and I can see burning it down with more gear, it just felt wrong to me, I'd really like to know how it was intended, but I guess I'll never really know.

Turn 1 entry was a long time ago for me, so hard to say with 100% accuracy when we stopped feeding, but I'm almost positive once the split happened, we stopped feeding them even in crafted / darklight. I get your point though, and not in total disagreement. However, if you can do it now, I agree it will only become easier with higher iLvl.

The problem lies in that the intended mechanic is more difficult than burning it down, to alleviate it they'd only have to raise the bosses HP so that its impossible to just beat it through a DPS check.

Honestly they might have even calculated that for these encounters and don't really know what players can actually put out.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

The problem lies in that the intended mechanic is more difficult than burning it down, to alleviate it they'd only have to raise the bosses HP so that its impossible to just beat it through a DPS check.

Honestly they might have even calculated that for these encounters and don't really know what players can actually put out.

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No offense, I made up a strat to handle the adds, and we one shot it on our first attempt of not burning. If handling adds is harder for your group than burning, I believe you might not have figured all the details of how they work. But I do agree. I just don't like the idea of a raid design based on "burn the boss, or do the mechanics"

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Originally Posted by babas

I understand this, but I don't think people managed to do a Turn 1 burn with entry gear level when it came out, correct? That's more of my concern. The fight is really well tuned to become "nerfed" simply by gearing up, and I can see burning it down with more gear, it just felt wrong to me, I'd really like to know how it was intended, but I guess I'll never really know.

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I've been doing Coil since a few weeks after launch and I can say with 100% certainty (pretty easy when you're healing) that we never fed slimes to Caddy after the split. Even in darklight/strategos gear, we'd just have each healer-tank pair coordinate their cooldowns at high stacks while the DPS just did their thing and ignored the slimes.

I don't see an issue with this T6 strat. It's definitely more akin to not feeding slimes to Caduceus than it is to turn 2 enrage. In one of them, you're just ignoring mechanics and brute forcing through the consequences, in the other you're basically bugging out the boss and making him do a different attack routine entirely.

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Originally Posted by babas

No offense, I made up a strat to handle the adds, and we one shot it on our first attempt of not burning. If handling adds is harder for you group than burning, I believe you might not have figured all the details of how they work. But I do agree. I just don't like the idea of a raid design based on "burn the boss, or do the mechanics"

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I didn't really mean T6 specifically but sort of the point is that its easy enough to burn down you aren't even required to know how they work. SE has added many fights like this so far; Caduceus, Garuda etc where you can burn them down so fast even on release that you can ignore a vast majority of mechanics or even know what they are doing.

Levithian and Ifrit EM at least are gated and wipe you if you attempt that.

I'm curious what you mean by handling them normally, every group I know burns the boss and actually doesn't know the intended mechanic in the 3rd phase.

Please enlighten me why we shouldn't burn that plant when at 39%, it stacks accumulatively and at 6+ stacks its gonna be brutal with all those positional and timely fun times? Do remind that we're doin 110 content using 90 gear aka we're doin 1st coil with full DL sets and need to brute force it?

Anyway this plant HP pool is indeed quite low even i can feel it dps ing in 90 gear, but the mechanics are more than enough to compensate the low hp pool considering the dps downtime is quite high with these :
1. kill bulb in the mid
2. avoid devour
3. bees with DK mechanics
4. and the most beloved Blighted Bouquet