Gear Advice.

Hey, 1st post here =X.

With the introduction of 2.2, I read that there's 3 paths for getting new weapons, mainly the levi, relic and the soldiery ones. I main WHM, but i still do heal on SCH at times or tank on my PLD(irrelevant to healing forums i know ><). My question here is, which weapon should I get for these classes.

For WHM, Levi drops a wand, but I can't seem to find a matching shield and its crit...so i don't think I'm considering that. Thyrus and Yagrush both seem good to me so I'm undecided between these 2.

For SCH, none of the options provide crit with the Book of Diamonds having the worse stat weightage since it's piety and SS. Tidal Wave Codex and Omnilex are my only options I guess?

Also, any armor I can purchase thats both beneficial for WHM and SCH? I'm looking at Daystar Circlet and Daystar Ring so far as they both seem to fit into WHM and SCH BiS quite well.

Off topic: I know this is the healing forums, but help for PLD weapon is appreciated too =3.

First we have to establish what your idea of BiS is for WHM. Do you prefer a Determination, Speed, or Crit build? Going to guess Determination, but each play style is different. I'm not going to be one of those people who argue which is better, I'm just curious what your play style is.

Supposedly a "Wave Buckler" drops from Leviathan Extreme that has Spell Speed and Pie on it, not my ideal stats, but there you go.

WHM:
Weathered Yagrush - Personally speaking I like this weapon, has Determination and Pie and will make a great weapon to upgrade to over my Allagan cane. I plan to get this and upgrade it when we finally figure out how to do so.

Thyrus Animus (Relic +2) - If you have the time to grind out the fates and the myth stones by all means this would be ideal for you to get first. I feel that for most people who haven't cleared Turn 5, or were just unlucky with weapon drops, would benefit more from this if they have the time to do so (or get extremely lucky with fates). The promise of being able to change the stats around at a later date intrigues me greatly, but personally speaking this will probably be the last thing on my list to obtain.

(Tidal) Wave Wand & (Tidal) Wave Buckler - If you have the Turn 5 staff I would personally ignore these options. While you do gain raw healing power from the upgraded Tidal weapon, I feel that it won't be worth upgrading unless its something extremely simple like farming 1K Myth. All depends on what it requires to upgrade.


SCH:
Weathered Book of Diamonds - Speed and Pie are not the ideal stats for a SCH, but again you have to weigh in the amount of healing increase you'll get from the weapon itself. This may prove to be faster to get depending on your time constraints though. The upgrade as well will give you more raw healing power, but doesn't come with the stats you want sadly.

Omnilex Animus (relic+2) - At least it has Determination? I feel bad for scholars due to the fact neither of your ilvl 100/110 weapons are ideal candidates, but you finally do get rewarded for the Turn 9 Book at least. As with the White Mage Relic+2, if you happen to have the time to farm Fates and Myth this would be the upgrade for you.

(Tidal) Wave Codex - Not sure how we upgrade this weapon, but yes this would be a decent weapon as well if you can manage to farm Ex. Leviathan. Although mind you the upgrade caps out at ilvl 100 where as the Weathered items will be upgraded to ilvl 110. Once we figure out how to upgrade it, you will have to weigh your options if its ideal for you.

If you currently have the Turn 5 Book, I would say the Omnilex Animus (relic +2) is your best option sadly. While the (Tidal) Wave Codex is also good, we don't know how to upgrade it yet, or if it will be worth it to upgrade over other options.


Off Topic Paladin:
This would depend on if you need the accuracy or not and what you plan to do with your paladin (or if you happen to be asking for a friend who is going to tank Turns 6-9). However both options are viable in my personal opinion.

Curtana Animus (relic +2) - More then likely your ideal weapon in this situation, it has a high amount of Accuracy and comes with Parry. However, again, time constraints permitting this may not be ideal for the person obtaining it.

Weathered Burtgang - A good substitute and for some people easier to obtain, comes with a decent amount of accuracy and determination. The upgrade is more of the same.

(Tidal) Wave Shamshir - Has the highest amount of parry out of any weapon for a paladin in the game so far, with the normal version being on par with Turn 5's Parry amount. However it does not come with Accuracy, and whether or not you can farm Ex. Leviathan will be an important part to obtaining this weapon. If you currently have the Turn 5 weapon though, this would be more of a side-grade until we figured out how to upgrade it.

Edit: Forgot about shields

Holy Shield Animus (relic +2) - A good shield no doubt, offers the highest amount of parry on a shield before the Coil dropped one, however it does come with spell speed, which is not particularly ideal. However the amount added is miniscule and if you have the time to farm fates and myth, this will be a solid upgrade regardless.

Weathered Noct Hoplon - The better of the two choices in my opinion if you need to cap out your Accuracy (right now we just have speculations over the cap for new coil turns). Decent amount of parry, and of course it can be upgraded as well.

(Tidal) Wave Shield - Crit and Determination aren't exactly the best stats here, and for the most part the Turn 1 Coil Shield should prove to be more useful in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Vid

First we have to establish what your idea of BiS is for WHM. Do you prefer a Determination, Speed, or Crit build? Going to guess Determination, but each play style is different. I'm not going to be one of those people who argue which is better, I'm just curious what your play style is.

Supposedly a "Wave Buckler" drops from Leviathan Extreme that has Spell Speed and Pie on it, not my ideal stats, but there you go.

WHM:
Weathered Yagrush - Personally speaking I like this weapon, has Determination and Pie and will make a great weapon to upgrade to over my Allagan cane. I plan to get this and upgrade it when we finally figure out how to do so.

Thyrus Animus (Relic +2) - If you have the time to grind out the fates and the myth stones by all means this would be ideal for you to get first. I feel that for most people who haven't cleared Turn 5, or were just unlucky with weapon drops, would benefit more from this if they have the time to do so (or get extremely lucky with fates). The promise of being able to change the stats around at a later date intrigues me greatly, but personally speaking this will probably be the last thing on my list to obtain.

(Tidal) Wave Wand & (Tidal) Wave Buckler - If you have the Turn 5 staff I would personally ignore these options. While you do gain raw healing power from the upgraded Tidal weapon, I feel that it won't be worth upgrading unless its something extremely simple like farming 1K Myth. All depends on what it requires to upgrade.


SCH:
Weathered Book of Diamonds - Speed and Pie are not the ideal stats for a SCH, but again you have to weigh in the amount of healing increase you'll get from the weapon itself. This may prove to be faster to get depending on your time constraints though. The upgrade as well will give you more raw healing power, but doesn't come with the stats you want sadly.

Omnilex Animus (relic+2) - At least it has Determination? I feel bad for scholars due to the fact neither of your ilvl 100/110 weapons are ideal candidates, but you finally do get rewarded for the Turn 9 Book at least. As with the White Mage Relic+2, if you happen to have the time to farm Fates and Myth this would be the upgrade for you.

(Tidal) Wave Codex - Not sure how we upgrade this weapon, but yes this would be a decent weapon as well if you can manage to farm Ex. Leviathan. Although mind you the upgrade caps out at ilvl 100 where as the Weathered items will be upgraded to ilvl 110. Once we figure out how to upgrade it, you will have to weigh your options if its ideal for you.

If you currently have the Turn 5 Book, I would say the Omnilex Animus (relic +2) is your best option sadly. While the (Tidal) Wave Codex is also good, we don't know how to upgrade it yet, or if it will be worth it to upgrade over other options.


Off Topic Paladin:
This would depend on if you need the accuracy or not and what you plan to do with your paladin (or if you happen to be asking for a friend who is going to tank Turns 6-9). However both options are viable in my personal opinion.

Curtana Animus (relic +2) - More then likely your ideal weapon in this situation, it has a high amount of Accuracy and comes with Parry. However, again, time constraints permitting this may not be ideal for the person obtaining it.

Weathered Burtgang - A good substitute and for some people easier to obtain, comes with a decent amount of accuracy and determination. The upgrade is more of the same.

(Tidal) Wave Shamshir - Has the highest amount of parry out of any weapon for a paladin in the game so far, with the normal version being on par with Turn 5's Parry amount. However it does not come with Accuracy, and whether or not you can farm Ex. Leviathan will be an important part to obtaining this weapon. If you currently have the Turn 5 weapon though, this would be more of a side-grade until we figured out how to upgrade it.

Edit: Forgot about shields

Holy Shield Animus (relic +2) - A good shield no doubt, offers the highest amount of parry on a shield before the Coil dropped one, however it does come with spell speed, which is not particularly ideal. However the amount added is miniscule and if you have the time to farm fates and myth, this will be a solid upgrade regardless.

Weathered Noct Hoplon - The better of the two choices in my opinion if you need to cap out your Accuracy (right now we just have speculations over the cap for new coil turns). Decent amount of parry, and of course it can be upgraded as well.

(Tidal) Wave Shield - Crit and Determination aren't exactly the best stats here, and for the most part the Turn 1 Coil Shield should prove to be more useful in this situation.

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For WHM i go DET > SS = PIE > CRIT
For SCH i go CRIT > DET > SS = PIE

Seems like for all the classes, relic weapon is a good choice? I can't decide which relic to start with 1st =(. The grind is so long =(.
So I should do Yagrush for WHM, then Omnilex Animus for SCH?

Off topic: PLD is mine, i geared/levelled PLD for fast queues =3. I should do PLD relic if I have time after completeing SCH then?

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Originally Posted by XmasMint

For WHM i go DET > SS = PIE > CRIT
For SCH i go CRIT > DET > SS = PIE

Seems like for all the classes, relic weapon is a good choice? I can't decide which relic to start with 1st =(. The grind is so long =(.
So I should do Yagrush for WHM, then Omnilex Animus for SCH?

Off topic: PLD is mine, i geared/levelled PLD for fast queues =3. I should do PLD relic if I have time after completeing SCH then?

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I would say start with the class you plan to play the most, or the one you plan to take into Coil Turns 6-9. I don't know what your current gear is though for each class, do you have Relic +1 on each of these 3 classes?

If it comes down to equal play among all 3 classes, I would say start with the Healer of your choice.

While the weapon and shield for paladin are good, it won't make or break your situation with tanking and holding threat. You will gain a bit more Vitality though, so that's always a plus. However I feel for short term goals, these upgrades aren't needed as much. Something to aim for, but by no means something worth breaking your back over. (Again just my personal opinion)

However, with a healer our weapon damage is directly related to our healing amount, and the more we have the better. Not to mention the extra Mind added because of the higher Ilvl weapon will give us even more raw healing power. That being said, going from Ilvl 95 to Ilvl 100 won't see that much of a difference (assuming you have the Allagan Cane from turn 5). So I feel you could pick the best option in terms of upgrades on this one. For WHM that would be the Yagrush, and for the SCH that would be the Omnilex.

Which of course works out evenly because both require separate items entirely to obtain, so you could work on both at the same time so to speak. If you happen to finish your SCH Relic +2 first, then start on the Paladin one (or the WHM if the Yagrush seems like it will take longer to get).

Edit:
Keep in mind though, that Square has promised us further customization with the Relic +2 weapon, that will be released in a later patch. Which means you will be able to throw out the secondary stats of your relic for something far better, such as Crit + Det for your SCH, or Det + SS/Pie for your WHM. Getting it prepared now might not be such a bad idea.

I'm also currently debating what book to get next.

Omnilex Animus with
Spell Speed 40
Determination 20

doesn't look enticing at all, considering how much you have to do in order to get one. I know you will be able to customize it in the future but I'd be surprised if they just allow you to add another attribute, rather betting on "being able to add a couple more points on the existing attributes".

Tidal Wave Codex with
Piety 31
Determination 20
(Water Resistance 19)

doesn't look good either, the upgrade for it also drops from Levi EX so farming is required here but at least that's more fun than running after fates.

Weathered Book Of Diamonds with
Spell Speed 40
Piety 22

that's like the worst of the three. Does anyone know where you can get an "Unidentified Allagan Tomestone"?

But maybe I'm just too spoiled with my Twin book...

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Originally Posted by Vid

I would say start with the class you plan to play the most, or the one you plan to take into Coil Turns 6-9. I don't know what your current gear is though for each class, do you have Relic +1 on each of these 3 classes?

If it comes down to equal play among all 3 classes, I would say start with the Healer of your choice.

While the weapon and shield for paladin are good, it won't make or break your situation with tanking and holding threat. You will gain a bit more Vitality though, so that's always a plus. However I feel for short term goals, these upgrades aren't needed as much. Something to aim for, but by no means something worth breaking your back over. (Again just my personal opinion)

However, with a healer our weapon damage is directly related to our healing amount, and the more we have the better. Not to mention the extra Mind added because of the higher Ilvl weapon will give us even more raw healing power. That being said, going from Ilvl 95 to Ilvl 100 won't see that much of a difference (assuming you have the Allagan Cane from turn 5). So I feel you could pick the best option in terms of upgrades on this one. For WHM that would be the Yagrush, and for the SCH that would be the Omnilex.

Which of course works out evenly because both require separate items entirely to obtain, so you could work on both at the same time so to speak. If you happen to finish your SCH Relic +2 first, then start on the Paladin one (or the WHM if the Yagrush seems like it will take longer to get).

Edit:
Keep in mind though, that Square has promised us further customization with the Relic +2 weapon, that will be released in a later patch. Which means you will be able to throw out the secondary stats of your relic for something far better, such as Crit + Det for your SCH, or Det + SS/Pie for your WHM. Getting it prepared now might not be such a bad idea.

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I mostly alternate between WHM and SCH currently depending on what the party needs. PLD is just really for "farmed" content/DR only. I forgot to mention my gear =3. I currently have Relic +1 on my WHM(damn allagan cane dropped when I was on SCH). My SCH is using the Wave Codex from Levi, still waiting for Levi's mirror to drop. Both my SCH/PLD only have normal Relic. I can just farm for atmas on my WHM while getting the 900 myth to upgrade both my SCH/PLD Relics. Although currently, since the source of Unidentified Allagan Tomestone is still unknown...im leaning towards using the atmas for my WHM instead since I have the Wave Codex for my SCH already. So many choices >.>" Highly confusing..

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

I'm also currently debating what book to get next.

Omnilex Animus with
Spell Speed 40
Determination 20

doesn't look enticing at all, considering how much you have to do in order to get one. I know you will be able to customize it in the future but I'd be surprised if they just allow you to add another attribute, rather betting on "being able to add a couple more points on the existing attributes".

Tidal Wave Codex with
Piety 31
Determination 20
(Water Resistance 19)

doesn't look good either, the upgrade for it also drops from Levi EX so farming is required here but at least that's more fun than running after fates.

Weathered Book Of Diamonds with
Spell Speed 40
Piety 22

that's like the worst of the three. Does anyone know where you can get an "Unidentified Allagan Tomestone"?

But maybe I'm just too spoiled with my Twin book...

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The weathered book of diamonds is horrible. I don't think I'll be getting that. 1300 soldiery(3 weeks) + 1 unknown source item and a random drop from coil to upgrade it is quite a waste IMO. As said earlier, I'm using the Levi Book while waiting for the mirror to drop to upgrade it. The increased magic damage on the i100 book should make it a better choice than the Twin book =X.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Does anyone know where you can get an "Unidentified Allagan Tomestone"?

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Confirmed to drop from Coil - Turn 7. Depending on your current group it may be a while before you see one, or for that matter when you do see one it may be a while before you obtain one over everyone else.

The twin book is awesome, no doubt, but in terms of upgrades for you for short-term I would suggest the Levi Codex unless you've already spent a lot of time on gathering Atma's. Out of the 3 options, Levi would appear to be the "faster" way to upgrade, but you also throw yourself at the mercy of the RNG gods. However, if you are doing it with your FC, or a static raid group, it may not be as bad.

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Originally Posted by XmasMint

I currently have Relic +1 on my WHM(damn allagan cane dropped when I was on SCH). My SCH is using the Wave Codex from Levi, still waiting for Levi's mirror to drop. Both my SCH/PLD only have normal Relic.

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Well this changes a few things. I would have given a different suggestion knowing this. Although it may take some time, I would suggest upgrading the Wave Codex for your Scholar first, and working on your Zodiac Weapon (Relic+2) for White Mage. Eventually you'll be able to get ilvl 100 items on both characters this way, and you're already halfway there on your Scholar. The paladin of course will play third fiddle, but maybe you can snag a Leviathan weapon/shield when no one's looking.

Unfortunately the Zodiac Weapon (relic+2) will take a long time before you see any significant change. Even after obtaining the initial 12 Atma, and turning them in, the only two things that change from the Zenith to the Atma are the colors and the item level itself. Stats stay exactly the same. You must then complete 9 separate books in order to upgrade the stats, and make it worthwhile.

I have a running guide here for Zodiac Weapon information: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ac-Weapons-You


Although that being said, for both of you the best upgrade (for SCH) is still the Book of Diamonds (upgraded ilvl 110 version), even though the stats are horrible, the increased weapon damage will increase your healing by a lot. However, until your group can successfully start farming Coil turns, I wouldn't worry about obtaining it. At least until they come out with an update for the Zodiac weapons to make them ilvl 110 and customizable.

For now though, just continue with what you've been doing. Slowly upgrading as you go along, we don't have any other options at this point.

The (weathered) Yagrush is what I'd focus on for WHM.

Not only because I like Pie and Det the most but because it gets upgraded to i110 and it'll surpass anything but the High Allagan then on magic damage alone.
As a stop-gap until then I'm just using the Zenith. I don't really like the Relics SS+Det combo so I don't care to upgrade it. And the Wave Wand's SS+crit is worse yet. If I manage to get the t5 weapon in a farm I'll switch to that prior to getting the Yagrush.