Hi all,
I recently got the Elfin Bow, and I'm wondering how low I can reasonably go for ACC on Coil Turn 1-4 . My relic+1 is on standby for turn 5 most certainly. I know the number 472 is all over various forums, but is it /really/ required for turns 1-4? Could I go from a 100% hit rate to 99.5% hit and enjoy the whopping DET and CRT bonus the Elfin Bow gives? I've been hearing less than that is fine for T1-4.
Anyways, just looking for thoughts on what will do the most good for my Coil static. Thanks.
Elfin Bow in Coil, or, Minimum BRD Accuracy for turns 1-4?
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03-22-2014, 08:14 AMDarwyn_UlondarrElfin Bow in Coil, or, Minimum BRD Accuracy for turns 1-4?
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03-22-2014, 09:36 AMNeoAmonBLM view point, from T2 until T5, anything less than 432=guaranteed miss. After weeks of testing, it is only T1 that has low Acc, T2-T5 Have the same accuracy cap. I tested T2 for 5 weeks using 430 Acc and I was missing every single week on one of the nodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darwyn_Ulondarr
So yeah I imagine other jobs are the same. -
03-22-2014, 12:22 PMDarwyn_Ulondarr
I appreciate the input. Better a bit less crit and DET than a miss, which is a significant damage loss. Or missed silence.
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03-22-2014, 01:31 PMPArcher
Uh...ignore the BLM (sorry Neo, but the acc-cap is a bit higher for physical damage). Acc cap for BLM/SMN is I believe 435 for T5, and slightly lower (432 maybe) for the rest of Coil. I'm not 100% on it, since I'm not a caster main myself, but its in the mid-low 430s.
472 is a good target IMO. There's a huge discussion about Acc, but for basics that's a good point to aim for initially (IMO). Especially in places where you need to ensure something hits (like Silences on ADS). The Flank/Back acc cap IS lower than 472, even in T5; the only place you would need higher acc is on the snake adds during Divebombs...and as a BRD, you can Rain of Death them to remove that (somewhat)
For the record, I use 470 acc for T5 currently (want to lower it too, just need Coil to give me my drops finally) and the only place I noticed any of my skills or auto attacks missing was on the big snake during Divebombs (attacking from the front and all)...and it really doesn't matter if you miss there at all. -
03-22-2014, 01:32 PMKitkat
In my personal experience as a brd in coil T1-4 I've had little to no issue with accuracy using elfin bow (gear/food dependent still to stay within ~465-470 range acc wise), but for t5 I always switch weapon to meet the accuracy requirement (482). With the high accuracy requirement, and how the fight is, missed hits are just a bit too important in that fight as it currently stands.
The biggest risk in T1/T2 is a missed silence, but to date I've yet to see that occur and have Ilvl90 options in all slots to adjust stats. -
03-22-2014, 01:41 PMEmblemelite
I use elfin bow in T5, I never miss on Twin or Asclepius. My build for using elfin bow in T5 http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LZ2E
PS I have roughly 20 or so turn 5 kills. -
03-22-2014, 01:46 PMBrandoHI literally run that exact same build, minus the deviled eggs because 472 is acc cap. I prefer buttons in a blanket. 10 kills on Twin with no accuracy issues. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emblemelite
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03-22-2014, 01:52 PMNeoAmonBrother, you misunderstood me while he did not ^^. I know the Acc for physical, we were talking about lowering his Acc for earlier turns so I gave him "BLM view point" not the Acc cap for physical :). In short he wanted to lower his Acc below 472 and get away with it for T2+. I was explaining from my view point why he should not :).Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
Edit: To clarify my statement better, I as a BLM will miss in T2 if I go under 435 Acc to 430. I imagine you (OP) as Bard will have the same issue if you do T2+ with 465 Acc.
His question was about lowering his Acc in earlier Turns, not if the Acc cap is 470-472 or not :). -
03-22-2014, 02:24 PMPArcherUltimately, the two questions are one in the same. "Am I able to lower my Accuracy?" completely depends on the real accuracy caps.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoAmon
You want to be at the acc cap to ensure no misses when you need to hit most (like silences), but still be doing the most damage you can do. The Acc cap IS actually lower than 472, even in T5, for melee DPS (Acc caps are positional; flank is lower than front, and back is lower than flank. Since melee need to make sure they are in position for our attacks they can, and do, have lower acc caps than tanks [using the flank cap specifically]). It is probably best for BRD to use tank accuracy (the 472/483 numbers) as may just don't care where they stand as long as they are avoiding cleaves and AoEs; however, if a BRD is willing to move to the flank or back and make sure they stay there, they can, safely, lower their accuracy. (HOWEVER, during T2 it IS probably better to overdo accuracy, as ADS is a jerk and likes to turn randomly at times).
You need to find the numbers that work for you in the end. 472 is a good start point...but it is not *the* accuracy cap, as you can go lower and still have no misses if you put some positional effort in during fights
EDIT: I need sleep, repeating myself too much in one post and not even realizing it >.> -
03-23-2014, 02:24 PMBardo
I use Elfin in Coil (however, I have T5 pants, so it makes Acc a lot easier).
Recent testing has proven that accuracy caps are positional and that the 472 number is a misnomer, correct?
From what I have seen recently I thought the consensus was:
435 Rear
455 Flank
480+ Front
Mages aim for 435 because all their attacks are "omnidirectional", so they always count as rear.
For any physical damage class though (including Bard), as long as you pay attention and keep yourself away from attacking from the front then you can drop all the way down to 455 Accuracy and be fine throughout coil, even turn 5.