So I'm just about to get my relic on BLM and relic+1 right after that... But spending myth tomes is a big investment time-wise. So I want to be really sure about this decision.
If I want to progress further on to Coil, the needs become more and more specific, and how does BLM do in this department ? Will I be needed, or will I have to fight for one spot that might be open ?
I have heard a lot about Summoner, Bards and Monks having the best dps, and that Bards and summoners are a better pick over BLM cause they not only do more dps (and can do it easier), they also have much better utility abilities...
I have a set of full DL if I change to Summoner, so I only would have to get a weapon on it. Should I stay on BLM or SMN ?
You can answer "choose the one you like", but I want to know the harsh truth too :)
BLM dps and utility...
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11-05-2013, 12:08 AMCraigerBLM dps and utility...
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11-05-2013, 12:12 AMpandabearcat
Bards certainly don't have the best dps.
That being said, every raid has a bard for their songs.
Every raid also has a spot for BLM certainly. They are very good AoE dps, great burst during astral phase, completely resource independent so they will not run out of TP (or mana, for summoners) on extremely long fights, and solid single target dps as well.
I haven't heard of anyone turning down BLMs. -
11-05-2013, 12:40 AMCraigerThat's good to hear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pandabearcat
I didn't know if Bard was on the top regarding dps, but I hear a lot of people saying that at least....
I do hope it's not always going to be needed to have at least one BRD and SMN though, or at least have other dungeons that require classes like BLM and the others that isn't needed. -
11-05-2013, 10:42 AMThoraukuThose ppl saying that BRDs are top DPS are those crybabies who wanted to nerf them badly due to their ability to move while attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craiger
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11-05-2013, 11:10 AMSleigh
All the DPS have a role.
MNKs have highest (or second highest) sustained single target DPS.
SMNs have really high sustained DPS, great AoE as well for medium length encounters. Plus a Resurrection you can use if things go south.
BLMs have high sustained DPS, have super burst damage, and when it comes to extended fights they have top AoE of the DPS. Plus nothing beats the burst of double Flare. They have CC but considering there's nothing you want to CC in this game (gear depending), that's a moot point.
DRGs buff BRD damage and are damn good at burst damage as well. TBH, not sure how their sustained DPS REALLY stacks up to the others but in my experience it's on the low end of the DPS classes. In theory any party with double Bard should be rocking a DRG, gear considering.
BRDs may or may not have low DPS compared to the other DPS, but their songs, mobility, and AoE are no joke and have a place in every fight. Most of Coil has roles BRD is best at or essential to have for the strategy to succeed.
As for BLM vs SMN, I like SMN better for most situations. The only situations I really appreciate BLM more is when you need to kill something ASAP, or when there's an AoE party (like speed runs, good as SMN AoE can be nothing beats killing a set of 7+ enemies from 50% life within 5 seconds) -
11-05-2013, 05:21 PMShadowzanon
Blm are actually more durable than other dps due to mana ward and mana wall. Like summoners, blm do have access to virus and eye for an eye , which helps a boatload on many of the coil encounters.
The advantages of a blm is their sheer sustained dps and aoe, their aoe is king in turn 4 due to the sheer ammount of mobs banded together. Bards also boost blm damage with foe requiem. When a bard has foe up, nothing beats a fire 3, flare, transpose , ice 2 ice2, rince and repeat combo. (1st group of bugs, then 4th group can be wiped out utterly quick with this combo)
The advantages of a summoner is being able to out aoe a blm with enocounters of 4 mobs or less as thier bane does not spread their dots to all the mobs even if they are all in range of bane hitting them, the cap seems to be 3, thus in turn 4 in terms of aoe a blm and bard outshine a summoner. But the summoner has a battlerez which can be a huge lifesaver as the healers do not have to waste mana to bring someone up.
The advantage of bards is their songs, their aoe dmg reducing attack and their silence. they would be king when it comes to utility but it also brings a ton of responsibility. every coils group has a requirement of at least 1 minimum, many seem to use 2 which my group considers overkill as our bard only silences attacks if the tanks fail to do so. Bards dmg is good but its not the best. If someone tells you bards do the highest dps just bitch slap them. they do good dps but its not the highest. but they darn make up for it with their supreme utility.
I do not have experience with dragoons since we have a monk in our group, but they do better aoe than a monk for sure and they do help bards recover some lost dps when they are with a song down so that is a huge plus.
Monks huge utility other than their single target dps is their mantra for wtf moments. this helps so much on turn 4 during the aoe phase making the group last more longer if they ended up taking longer than norm.
I donno they all seem to pitch in, each has their lil time to shine during coils. But one things for sure, there is absolutely no need to bring more than 1 of the same class. -
11-05-2013, 05:37 PMStateAlchemist
In Turn 2 Coil I have been getting 230+ dps as BLM. Only class I have seen out dps me as BLM so far in Turn 2 is Monk, and to be fair he was one of the best Monks I have seen and he had Relic +1 whereas I only have Relic. The rest of our gear was fairly even... I am estimating that once I fully complete my BLM DD set that I will be able to DPS between 275-300. With Crits hitting 2000+ (highest so far has been just over 1800). As far as usefulness. I like BLM on Turns 1 and 2. But one of the posters above said it well. You can go in with anything and never need more then one of a class. (Have done Turns 1 and 2 with a PLD/WAR tank combo and one BRD).