People will no stack WHM in 24 man content. SCH/WHM is King forever.

I see a lot of complaining on forums and in game from Scholars who feel that WHM will be stacked on 24 man content. I even see people complaining that people would rather have WHM/WHM on some 8 man content (ie: Titan). However I simply want to state for the record that . . .

Stacking WHM/WHM is nowhere near as effecient or good as stacking a SCH/WHM.

Furthermore, 24 man content will have the group split up into 8 man groups for part of the raid. That means any competent raid group, with half a mind, will be using 3SCH and 3WHM to have the best healing team currently in the game.

I dont mean to call out all Scholars, but we have a huge learn to play issue going on right now. Too many times on my WHM (I have a lvl 50WHM relic, lvl 50SCH relic +1) I team up with Scholars who are healing as REACTIVE healers. You MUST stop playing in this manner.

To bring some perspective, I want to list the drawbacks for each class.

WHM Drawbacks

High Threat
Very limited instant cast heal (benediction)
No mitigation spells (some with cross class)
No AOE Mitigation spells
Constantly looking at mana and mana regen spell is shared with their aggro reduction cooldown, and also nowhere near as good as SCH mana regen.

SCH Drawbacks

Low AOE regenerative heal
No healing over time spells
Mitigation does not stack with other SCH (like regen stacks with other WHM)

I tried and tried to think of more drawbacks for the Scholar . . . but there aren't any. We can heal with NO aggro problems, we have multiple tools for those "omg" moments when the damage is too much (lustrate, aldoquin, succor, sacred soil), we have virtually unlimited mana resources, and we have a healer pet who requires no mana pool to use.

Compared to WHM who has to constantly watch threat, constantly watch mana, has hardly any "omg" moment tools to use, except for the RIDICULOUS cool down on benediction, yet all I hear is about how WHM is more wanted, will be stacked more, and is the "better" healer. The ONLY thing a WHM is better at is AOE healing. That's it. And a WHM cannot AOE heal to their best ability without a SCH in the group. We NEED each other.

SCH/WHM are best friends. Why are we trying to get one nerfed or complain about one or the other???? Stop doing this. It's terrible for the healing community. We are in this together.

Two things I want to say. Please level both a SCH and a WHM and do high end content with it, before you make a judgement on which class is better. I think they're both amazing healers, but I have a preference for how the SCH works. The WHM is not "overpowered" enough to make me switch because I think SCH is so gosh darn nerfed (they aren't).

Second. There is only one thing the SCH can complain about, and that is the fact that you cannot stack two scholars like you can stack two WHM.

To that I say . . . yha. So what? You also cannot stack Discipline Priests in WoW, yet they are regarded as one of the strongest healers in the game. I don't want anybody else by my side as a SCH but a WHM. And any decent WHM will not want anybody else by their side but a SCH.

The only thing that could be "fixed" is somehow having SCH shields stack, but I have to say . . . I dont want them to. I dont want WHM/WHM to be the ideal, and I dont want SCH/SCH to be the ideal.

SCH/WHM groups to the top. It wont change w/ 24 man content. Can you image 3 fairies, constant uptime of sacred soil, a better version of virus and eye for and eye, constantly on our tanks and dps????? Furthermore, as I said, the 24 man content will be split into different groups, and WHM/SCH 8 man groups are beyond beyond beyond the best.

No more QQ from the healing community. Healers in this game have hardly anything to complain about.

If anybody has to complain . . . I would say WHM have the stronger argument personally.

TLDR: SCH/WHM is and will always be best. 24 man content wont change this. SCH complain to much. WHM has more drawbacks. SCH/SCH doesn't have to stack like WHM/WHM regen does, and its not even the best combo, so who cares. And finally, get better at playing SCH, most people have no clue how the class works. No more reactive SCH playstyle plz. It wouldn't let me make this one long post so . . . sorry for the spam. I've seen longer posts so I dunno why I had to do it this way.

Stoneskin = lower threat
Do we even use Benediction? 5m CD? No thx. (Yes, I know, oh-no heal, but unless there is a 5m boss mechanic to match it, it's essentially a pointless heal).
Regen is instant cast and can be used proactively when incoming damage is anticipated, depending upon tank aggro.
Looking at mana? I use Shroud on a rotation just about. Granted, it's a 2m rotation, but I still use it, and don't have much mana issue.

Then again, I just hit 50 a couple of days ago and have only cleared up to Ifrit (WP/AK too), so my opinion is probably in need of more experience.

I agree with your main point that WHM and SCH will work well together in endgame, both in 8man and 24man.

However, I must correct one of the things you said... WHM do have a way to get mana back: Shroud of Saints. It can be used strategically to lower hate, but it also has a Refresh effect. It helps WHM regen mana when there is no other sort of Refresh. SCH, on the other hand, have to really plan out when they're going to use their Aethercharges. It makes the most sense to use Aetherflow on cooldown so that you get the maximum amount of mana back, but you have to plan ahead just in case you know you'll need to use Sacred Soil or Lustrate soon.

I believe there are two main reasons people tend to stack WHM/WHM rather than WHM/SCH:
1) Not many people know how to play SCH well. It is a preemtive healer, for the most part. You shield when you know something bad is coming. You save your charges for when you know something is about to happen. Scholars must KNOW the fight. (This is appropriate considering the entire Arcanist storyline is about math and calculations.)
2) WHM has been out for much longer than Scholar, and is more of a REACTIVE healer. A good white mage will know the fights as well, but WHM can be more reactive with their heals. If people mess up, WHM can toss out large cures fast without penalty (besides mana). If a scholar has to throw out an unnecessary lustrate, that's healing that could have went toward the tank.

Scholars cannot 'make up for' the mistakes of others as easily as WHM, but when EVERYONE knows what they are doing, Scholar makes the fight easier for EVERYONE. (Those shields are amazing). Scholars are also known to solo heal Titan, so they CAN pull off everything that is necessary...

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

However, I must correct one of the things you said... WHM do have a way to get mana back: Shroud of Saints. It can be used strategically to lower hate, but it also has a Refresh effect. It helps WHM regen mana when there is no other sort of Refresh. SCH, on the other hand, have to really plan out when they're going to use their Aethercharges. It makes the most sense to use Aetherflow on cooldown so that you get the maximum amount of mana back, but you have to plan ahead just in case you know you'll need to use Sacred Soil or Lustrate soon.
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You are right. I was being lazy when I said that. I should've said that Shroud of Saints is nowhere near as useful to regaining mana as Scholar abilities are, and it's also shared with a cooldown that also lowers threat (which you need to use because of high WHM threat, so it shouldn't be combined with your omg I'm going to take aggro ability).

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Originally Posted by LSkwallhart

You are right. I was being lazy when I said that. I should've said that Shroud of Saints is nowhere near as useful to regaining mana as Scholar abilities are, and it's also shared with a cooldown that also lowers threat (which you need to use because of high WHM threat, so it shouldn't be combined with your omg I'm going to take aggro ability).

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In some fights, you use the ability on cooldown. Unless hate resets at any point, there really isn't a reason to save it. There are some exceptions. Some WHM, for example, prefer to save their Shroud for when sisters are coming in a Garuda party. Healers are infamous for grabbing hate early on and if a WHM pops Shroud when they spawn, it makes the fight much easier.

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

In some fights, you use the ability on cooldown. Unless hate resets at any point, there really isn't a reason to save it. There are some exceptions. Some WHM, for example, prefer to save their Shroud for when sisters are coming in a Garuda party. Healers are infamous for grabbing hate early on and if a WHM pops Shroud when they spawn, it makes the fight much easier.

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Thanks for the feedback. I'm much more effective on my SCH ( i simply play it more often ) so this will help if I'm needed as WHM.

But your type of posts is what people need. I get sad when I see SCH saying "WHM Should be nerfed so we're equals". We aren't equals . . . we're completely different, and that's why I enjoy this game. Both powerful healers . . . nothing should be nerfed. SCH should support WHM and vice versa. Enough with these posts demanding that regen not stack. It's so silly.