Tank HP Requirements For Endgame DF Content

While playing my WHM too often will I come across tanks that come into my Duty Finder PUG and believe they are fully capable of clearing the content with ease. MAYBE this is because you, the tank, are used to clearing things with Relic DPS or heals? But when you come to a duty finder to do an instance, ASSUME you will be paired with average gear players with average mental capacities.

One perfect example of what I'm trying to explain is this: A full darklight healer along with half DL DPS and a tank with 4.3k HP enter Wanderer's Palace together.
***This is a 45 minute run at best***
The tonberry king hits for 4k if the dps is smart enough to count 3 at a time. at 4 at a time we wipe, at 3 at a time we most likely wipe without benediction or swift cast. To top it off, the tank wasn't capable of kiting all the tonberries himself. This tank should have farmed CM and Prate more clearly.

Therefore the HP Requirements for TANKS in Duty Finder groups is as follows:
CM & Praetorium: Full AF1 Gear
Wanderers Palace: 4.6k HP
Amdapor Keep: 5.2k HP (6K if you plan to tome farm quicker than WP)
Ifrit: Meh who cares
Garuda: 5.5k HP
Titan: You dont pug Titan, maybe 8K HP


Those are for PUGS only, with a skilled FC or group of friends or even a pug by invite group you can get away with having less hp.

But if you are going to DF tank those dungeons with less than my recommended HP, you're gonna have a bad time. As a healer I usually leave if the tank isn't close to meeting my requirements, because honestly, 15min debuff +25min WP run is WAY better than one 45min WP run that has a chance of dissolving midway.

You can pug titan, and a paladin with 5k+ hp or a warrior with 7k+ hp (in defiance) can easily eat the Mountain Buster in that fight with a competent healer.

1) PLD's and WAR's work differently, while WAR's should stack HP PLD's have damage mitigation and such. I don't think I've ever seen a PLD in Titan with 8k HP.
2) You just can't tome farm AK faster than WP. If you think you can, then you need to improve at farming WP.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

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Well first of all, if your tanks are any good, they know how to deal with tonberry king's grudges. Low hp PLD can hallow ground and WAR can thrill of battle. I assume you haven't done titan yet because I have AF chest, helm, full DL and Relic, and i still don't have 8k hp. The chance of you finding a tank that can meet that requirement is almost 0.

8k for Titan...? What? 6k for AK? Are you talking strictly Warriors here? PLD can do everything fine endgame with 5k hp, and everything else (AK/wp/Ifrit/Garuda) with less

Oddly, my pld has full hoplite (AK) set with hq lvl48 rings and hp only hits 4.8k (all vit attributes as well). You require 400 more hp for a dungeon whose set doesn't reach? AK isn't as hard as you make it out to be.

lmao 8k HP.

So according to your HP guide and rules you don't party with PLDs.... cause no PLD will ever have 8k HP, and even with AF+1 chest, Relic+1 Sword/Shield, and DL all around I only cap at 5.6 HP. Yet I can still PuG AK in 20-25min without putting strain on the healer.

I understand your frustration with under-geared tanks and agree that there needs to be an iLvL requirement for DF, but SE has already stated that it is coming in 2.1 so your "guide" will be moot in about a month.

This thread rubs me the wrong way.

Those HP levels are way too high for a PLD.

Sounds like you want the tank to be over-geared to make up for others that are lacking.

I have 5.5k hp in a party and I have relic +1 sword with almost full DL gear.

8k hp for titan? I can't even get that with garuda axe, af2 head/chest, dl bootpants, gauntlets, dl tank accessories, defiance + rolling as a sea wolf Roe and vit stacking AND pt buff :o I'd still have to use food...
Oh and ps: I was tanking Ton King in af1 and white accessories as a war *and* I forced dds to kill all adds with no regards given to the rancor buff, never wiped with that strat before unless a dd actively tried to not kill adds so they would get on me :P (kite strat sucks, stop it)

Also sitting on all the gear I stated in my first sentence above and I never farmed CM or Prae once for tomes... who would've known going from TWP gear to AK gear to DL gear was the way the game was meant to be played!? xD