Im a gamer who loves a challenge. I dont scoff at hard difficulty in games, but in an MMO such as FFXIV difficult dungeons/bosses present a unique problem.
Eight people doing something correctly together, coordinating together is very time consuming, and just feels frustrating. If one key role dies such as a healer or tank, the fight goes sour. If someone misses a AOE dodge or does not know the fight it becomes a problem. This is the primary concern of the Duty finder in endgame.
Ive done the whole teamwork thing. Im in a FC, ran COIL turn 1 and 2 using mumble/teamspeak, use linkshells for good groups, etc but it just comes off as frustrating. Spending up to an hour trying to get people on to do the content, and then the content you attempt is just riddled with tons of mechanics to all be familiar with. All 8 players mind you to perform perfectly.
Endgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!
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10-13-2013, 04:52 AMWigglesEndgame too challenging and teamwork based (Hear me out)!
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10-13-2013, 04:52 AMWiggles
Its time consuming and frustrating to get that level of cooperation with 8 players, even if your all in chat/FC. Its not even challenging, simply learning the fight perfectly. No skill just memory. Tons of trial and error.
The Snake boss of Coil turn 1 for instance has some complex mechanics. The floors, splitting, minion eating, making sure the minions are low HP, its a lot for 8 people to all get correct to pull off. It just comes off as unfun and annoying.
I feel the point of MMO's is a slight challenge with en emphasis of working together and grinding towards a goal, not a teamwork/skill check. I feel the difficulty should never exceed Ifrit HM or Amdapor Keep. That way you could skip the wasted time forming a group and attempting content over and over and just Duty finder it and get right to the fun/grind. -
10-13-2013, 04:54 AMTenkiei
Coil turn 1/2? I'm sorry what did you expect WoW-esque LFR where 6 out of 25 people could be afk, another 6 dead, another 6 incompetent and still clear everything flawlessly in an hour?
I have played WoW, I have played XIV, I have played ToR, I have played Rift, and in not ONE of those games has the endgame been "problematic" for the reasons you state, I suggest you find more skilled players to play with, or reexamine your own skill level as thusfar I've yet to hear anyone else describe Coil turns 1/2 as "difficult" or "Challenging".
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AK? Ifrit HM? "Difficulty"? I'm sorry but what difficulty? Both of those fights are nearly impossible to fail, I'm fairly sure you can stand in >50% of the mechanics in both of those and not die...sorry maybe you should go back to doing LFR in WoW. -
10-13-2013, 04:57 AMArcheustheWise
OP...*shakes finger* No.... NO.... BAD.... no!
Pretty much what Tenkiei said. Find other people. -
10-13-2013, 04:58 AMWiggles
Typical reply "Get better".
My skill is fine, my point is getting 8 competent people together to play decently is problematic. You actually have to schedule time to run things with people. I feel content should be attainable at anytime and should not be so difficult that you have to have all very good players to do it.
If you think your right and the content is not that hard, please duty finder Titan and let me know who that works out. -
10-13-2013, 05:09 AMIncredible
If you think turn 1 is hard, wait until 4. Not only do you need to execute as a team, you need the damage to kill stuff before the next wave comes.
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10-13-2013, 05:10 AMSinisterJoint
its not hard or challenging imo, its pretty fun and engaging. Get a FC or something and stop trying to force pugs to work when your talking about coils.
The problem with DF titan is people try and are severely under geared for it. That is why it should have a gear check at least -
10-13-2013, 05:16 AMWigglesIM guessing you just read my title and replied without reading... I already said I do it with my FC and fill with Linkshell. I feel content should not be so difficult that you have to assemble a team of good players to get it done. Doing turns 1 and 2 we had to coordinate our free time and get it done once a week. It would be nice to have endgame progression anytime I can log on without the scheduling and player hunting....Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJoint
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10-13-2013, 05:18 AMJohnistAverage Item Level will be implemented in 2.1, so starting mid november you'll get your wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterJoint
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10-13-2013, 05:19 AMEstellios
Hardcore content that is designed to be difficult for even the best players probably should require good teamwork which is, surprise surprise, something that also takes practice and skill.
Also keep in mind that we are currently undergeared for Coil as we are missing the level 80 gear that would bridge the gap between DL and Coil/Relic armor.
Titan is mostly a gear, mindset, and lag issue really, and hopefully the latter will be eliminated with the coming server upgrades while the former will be fixed when gear requirements are added.