Summoner

Please give summoner some other kind of edge because as it stands at present people only want BLM and Bards for coil and it's becoming increasingly difficult as more and more people roll bards

Summoner does have the edge, and especially over BLM.

Bard nerfs are expected incoming in the next patch, most likely it will happen. So you will see a drop on Bard and a raise on whatever class be FOTM.

I do hope so. Especially Bards. A support class with absurd dps. They should give bard more utility less dps and none stack able songs

Wait what?
The highest dps in game, that is semi mobile unlike BLM and has combat rez which only healers have besides you, needs an edge and is not wanted for Coil?

Not sure which game you playing, afaik the only reason someone'd want bard over SMN is the silence/songs and a BLM is just a sad 3rd.

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Originally Posted by Snowaeth

Wait what?
The highest dps in game, that is semi mobile unlike BLM and has combat rez which only healers have besides you, needs an edge and is not wanted for Coil?

Not sure which game you playing, afaik the only reason someone'd want bard over SMN is the silence/songs and a BLM is just a sad 3rd.

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SMN : battle rez + virus + eye for eye + crappy heals (but hey! ) , dots (with debuffs included) and pet dmg , instant nuke (ruinII , fester (cd and need dots)) ,AOE LB

what that support class u are talking about? i only see tank dps healer as roles Oo?

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

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SMN : battle rez + virus + eye for eye + crappy heals (but hey! ) , dots (with debuffs included) and pet dmg , instant nuke (ruinII , fester (cd and need dots)) ,AOE LB

what that support class u are talking about? i only see tank dps healer as roles Oo?

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Dot debuffs that bosses are immune to, and ruin II does half the damage of a scathe and costs a metric crapton of mana.

Hello my summoner brothers. I agree that Summoners are very good as well.

Just want to defend Black Mages a bit here. It's impossible to compare the damage between the two classes right now.

It's been discussed Ad Nauseam.

From personal experience (I have never run with a summoner in +1 relic), I believe summoner DPS is on par with Black Mage DPS all things being equal. They may edge us out a tiny bit in AOE and we may edge out a bit in single target.

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

Dot debuffs that bosses are immune to, and ruin II does half the damage of a scathe and costs a metric crapton of mana.

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which bosses are immune to our dots? ifrit not, garuda not, titan not, turn 1 not, turn 2 not, turn 3 not, turn 4 not. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

ruin is supposed to be low damage, imagine ruin II with double it's current damage, it'll be 380-400 per hit, while your dots tick 350-400, your pets hit 190-200. that's 1000 damage every 3 seconds (NON CRIT) and without fester, do you understand how OP that will be? even now when ruin II on it's current state, it's what, 750 or so damage every 3 seconds non crits and without fester, please.

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Originally Posted by HoroBoro

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I'm in the same server as you are, and I do have relic +1, you can test me out some time on a primal boss fight whenever, and no, SMN still has BLMs beat in single target dps, if you're gauging the state right now with your SMN friends via threat meters, remember, 20-30% damage does not contribute to threat (garuda egi has it's own threat table), but even without the pet, we still manage to beat BLMs with the same gear on single target fights when it comes to enmity.