Chill

Seriously, people need to chill out.

When someone says ''English pls'', it isnt a personal attack or a form of an insult. It is a polite request so that everyone in the group may understand what you say.

And when you do take offence at the request, dont be a douch and intentionally wipe the group because you feel hurt. Not only are you proving to be the sole bad apple in the group, you are causing 6 MORE people to despise your actions and YOU.

And what if two players communicate among themselves in their native language? Clearly you are no part of that talk, if the person wanted everyone else to understand or make a statement for the group, he would actually listen to "english pls" and translate his phrase. In no way I condone wiping the group because of that (You sure it was intentional?), that sounds like a very bad attitude, but just letting you know where the roots for hurt feelings may be.

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Originally Posted by mouseno4

If they wanted to discuss something other than the current dungeon... well they kinda wouldnt waste their time doing that.

And its pretty obviously intentional ... when they SAY they will wipe the group.

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Well.. discussing current dungeon among same-language speakers? You have no idea what that was. What the intentions were. You have no idea if that was directed at you and was something rude (What's the point though, if your target doesn't even feel hurt about what you say). What I am saying is if the person wished to talk about current dungeon with YOU, his goal would be YOU to understand, so he WOULD switch to English. Don't ask to be a part of conversation you were not supposed to be, it might have sounded a bit bad. English is not my first language, and if that happened to me, I might have interpreted your phrase as the following: "Shut up, I don't want to see that language, no chatting allowed" or something along those lines. Again, it does not make wiping a group less of an over-the-top move, just saying you could have offended someone without you knowing.

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Originally Posted by Renytenz

And what if two players communicate among themselves in their native language? Clearly you are no part of that talk, if the person wanted everyone else to understand or make a statement for the group, he would actually listen to "english pls" and translate his phrase. In no way I condone wiping the group because of that (You sure it was intentional?), that sounds like a very bad attitude, but just letting you know where the roots for hurt feelings may be.

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If they wanted to discuss something other than the current dungeon... well they kinda wouldnt waste their time doing that.

And its pretty obviously intentional ... when they SAY they will wipe the group.

I think it's more of a thing where people resort to a broken form of English like sms spk, 1337 5p34k or some other way to horridly deform the language.

Either way to resort to intentionally ruin a run because you're asked to speak proper English is indeed a tad extreme.
On the other hand you should also rephrase the question, I, as non-native English speaker, will not resort to proper language if the person asking me is not asking it properly themselves.

It is please, not pls.
And if you really want to be polite it is "Can you please speak English".

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Originally Posted by Shirai

I think it's more of a thing where people resort to a broken form of English like sms spk, 1337 5p34k or some other way to horridly deform the language.

Either way to resort to intentionally ruin a run because you're asked to speak proper English is indeed a tad extreme.
On the other hand you should also rephrase the question, I, as non-native English speaker, will not resort to proper language if the person asking me is not asking it properly themselves.

It is please, not pls.
And if you really want to be polite it is "Can you please speak English".

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I can read somewhat the major languages of the world, so i roughly know what they are talking about.

And i shorten it because i am a healer, i dont have time.

That's the new internet mentality. If somebody asks you to "do" something, no matter how reasonable the request is, people will act like douchebags because somehow that'll show you. How dare people ask you to do something reasonable.

The issue is not the quick 2 words i manage to get out between Cure's, its the attitude to a polite request for the good of the whole group.

For all i know, the German and French group members could in fact be speak to ME. My translations are not great, as i am still learning those two languages, but so far as i can tell, they have not been talking to me in any of the groups ive been in.

No the problem is with fact that people take a polite, rushed request as insulting and promptly retaliate, punished the WHOLE group. I NEVER ask for perfect english, just some FORM of it as long as its understood by anyone who uses the internet.

EDIT - It would be pretty stupid to demand exact english, when the request for it is NOT.

Why do I have the feeling that we're only reading part of the story here...

The more I read, the more I get the same impression Renytenz had.
That the topic starter could not cope with a few people chattering in different language and there's probably been some more interaction than the "English pls." phrase.
Am I getting warm?

I do not condone or defend resorting to mpk or wiping groups in any situation, but I'd like to see the full story behind this.

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I see now, it was people speaking the same language being social.
It happens, but I stand my case that also you could have taken slightly more trouble typing at least those 3 extra letters.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

Why do I have the feeling that we're only reading part of the story here...

The more I read, the more I get the same impression Renytenz had.
That the topic starter could not cope with a few people chattering in different language and there's probably been some more interaction than the "English pls." phrase.
Am I getting warm?

I do not condone or defend resorting to mpk or wiping groups in any situation, but I'd like to see the full story behind this.

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I see now, it was people speaking the same language being social.
It happens, but I stand my case that also you could have taken slightly more trouble typing at least those 3 extra letters.

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This is the full story. Whenever someone speaks a different language upon zoning into the dungeon or mid boss fight, a request to speak ''english pls'' goes out. Whether by me or from other people. (others usually say something a little different to me, something like just ''english'' or ''english dude'' etc)


They take immediate offense to it and either cease tanking/healing so that the group wipes. I am not sure what more information you want. I wont repeat the hate speech here (ironically in english) as it is quite offensive.

I could explain the different situations which are not really related and has to do with people not knowing the fight mechanics, which causes a wipe and the verbal abuse goes back and forth between pretty much everyone. Usually it is the tank/interrupter/healer who give and take abuse.

This is an entirely different issue altogether, but may come under the same topic covered in this topic in general.