Current State of End-Game Contents - A Blog Post from A Japanese Player

I want those who agreed w/ the OP to just go play Ramuh Extreme and come back and say how it went. Because it has that total randomness you guys wanted but it also retained some script. It has that that big ass dps check so it most definitely relies on that "make gear mater more" aspect. It has a lot that the OP and many of you wanted yet to my disappointment PROBABLY MOSTLY ALL of you who wanted this, have not completed this fight post titan-egi fix.Also you can recover from this fight as long as you dps doesn't die before/during add phase. But I tell you no matter how good your team is bad rng can and almost always lead to dead dps which in turn fails that dps check which in turn makes runs more hard then it needs to be that not even counting the ppl who can't handle regular scripted easy to understand mechanics.

actually we did this with 3 or 4 people that never went into the fight before (post titan-egi fix). Took us about 2h to clear it.
I didn't want to go there yet (was a tank at that time), never looked at a guide, but the fc wanted to go. Both tanks were new and 1-2 dps.
I don't think its an easy fight, especially for the first timers, but i don't recall having dps checks issues. More was managing the orbs properly, randomness of spawn times and such things. Certainly an interesting fight, and challenging (at least for < ilvl 100), but as i said, with half of the team there for the first time, it was done in around 2h.

I just hope people don't ask for something like Ifrit Ex which was a HUGE letdown after Titan Ex.

This is starting to sound a bit like the diet industry and how people blame all sorts of single things for causes of obesity. There is no one thing that is causing the community to be the way it is. The problem is inherent in the design of multiple systems, including end game. Honestly, if Coil and extremes didn't exist in this game I think there would be a whole lot less complaining then there is right now (not to mention a better balance of classes, people actually feeling like they have time to do crafting, and other such things that the game offers). Does that mean that doing this would stop the situation dealing with efficiency grinding or mercenary behavior? Most likely not, but if hunts are any indication I'd rather have things that bring the community together than something that just serves to tear it apart.

personally i do crafting, because i did abandon the coil and EX, not because i lack capacity... but because i lack the statics for it and the will to do it... i don't find this fight exciting, i'm sorry but DDR fight are not fight! skill of the player in this fight are almost near 0 since you can almost play in automatic.

and what bother me in a way it's this, with the add of the 2.4 and BC3.... what will happend to the person that was unable to pass T5 because of the mechanic they did place there for make the fight harder than normal (all the one shoot mechanic) exept ninja and the quest line, they will have nothing to do since for get into bc3 you need to finish bc2... add echo don't change anything.

they did copy WoW, but did miss the fact that WoW have a lot of flaws. the model based on raid and vertical progression. added to the ultra scripted fight make the game lack of deepth.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Honestly, if Coil and extremes didn't exist in this game I think there would be .

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Less people playing. Coil and primals serve as a long term goal for a lot of people. Even though the majority may never beat it until they overgear + echo it it's still there as that one content they have yet to beat and something they can strive for.

If you make coil easy, to be cleared in a month by everyone people would just leave afterwards. What would be the point of doing hunts, roulette, relic? I did them only to get better gear and I wanted the better great for one reason only, to help me on coil.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i don't find this fight exciting, i'm sorry but DDR fight are not fight! skill of the player in this fight are almost near 0 since you can almost play in automatic..

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Why do you people exaggerate so much, try to downplay it everytime. "is not hard, just a lot of one shots", "not hard, you just have to memorize the boss patterns", "not hard, just the whole team should be on point"

Well it looks to me like it's hard then. Ninja gaiden was a hard game but you could get better at it by memorizing enemy positions and it was the same everytime. Dark souls is hard until you memorize enemy positions and boss patterns.

"is not hard, you just have to do it again and again and then you beat it. I can do that too but I will not"

Well that's how games are. You get better at it the more you play.

i'm more sure that a lot of person saying that the actual content is hard will do bad with true challenge. scripted fight strips down the challenge...sorry but that a fact. repeat a pattern is not hard, what it's hard tough it's get 8 person repeat this pattern together.
great news, it's not team play, it's not even mmorpg fight!!! that not without reason that a lot of person point this. it's because we don't have a high level challenging content, indeed you can make a few fight with this sort of scripted fight, but not all!
and yes, put one shoot mechanic on almost every skill of a boss it's an artifical way to increase the difficulty.

ps: what it's scary it's the fact that people simply don't notice that when they go check a video of a fight... almost all the video, make by different person look the same... it's like you look the same fight! gosh we are not machine but human!

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i'm glad not everyone has that line of thinking in the game, it would be a lonely place otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Dano

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i'm glad not everyone has that line of thinking in the game, it would be a lonely place otherwise.

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lonely by asking more teamplay? more challenging content without resort to articifial way to increase the difficulty of the game? asking that we are treated as human and not like machine that must repeat macro?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

lonely by asking more teamplay? more challenging content without resort to articifial way to increase the difficulty of the game? asking that we are treated as human and not like machine that must repeat macro?

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What you are asking is already in the game, you just don't want to spent the time or effort to do it. To each their own though, endgame is not everyone's cup of tea which i totally understand, it's here to stay and there'll always be a crowd that will do it, let them have their fun and you can keep yours.