Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You forgot to add

and while playing Gran Turismo 5 on small screen and getting 1st place in that as well.

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Forgot to add that the small screen was behind you and you were driving backwards while looking through a mirror.

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Originally Posted by Deltara

But the fact of the matter remains that SE is encouraging you to not play the job whose relic you are unlocking, which is against the spirit of the quest.

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the last part of relic quest we have to do it with your unfinished relic tho.

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Originally Posted by Luxanna

the last part of relic quest we have to do it with your unfinished relic tho.

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That's at least something, I guess. BTW, thanks! You guys have been great with the info~ Gratz and keep it coming.

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Originally Posted by Deltara

But the fact of the matter remains that SE is encouraging you to not play the job whose relic you are unlocking, which is against the spirit of the quest.

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Everyone in my group is on a job that they are getting a relic for.

Ok guys, focus. Focus on what i'm saying.

I'm not saying that you can't progress for each person's relic at the same time. I'm saying that you cannot progress for each person's relic on the job you are getting the relic on.

This means that half your party is DoLing or DoHing in order to get a relic weapon. Or half your party is monk-ing to get non-monk relic weapons.

I'm saying that it would have been true to the immersion? storyline? plot? spirit of the quest? to encourage players to complete their relic weapon quests on the jobs they are getting their relic for.

I'm not saying you guys are bad people for not doing that. lol I'm saying the game designers are lazy for not coming up with a way to do it this way.

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Originally Posted by Deltara

Ok guys, focus. Focus on what i'm saying.

I'm not saying that you can't progress for each person's relic at the same time. I'm saying that you cannot progress for each person's relic on the job you are getting the relic on.

This means that half your party is DoLing or DoHing in order to get a relic weapon. Or half your party is monk-ing to get non-monk relic weapons.

I'm saying that it would have been true to the immersion? storyline? plot? spirit of the quest? to encourage players to complete their relic weapon quests on the jobs they are getting their relic for.

I'm not saying you guys are bad people for not doing that. lol I'm saying the game designers are lazy for not coming up with a way to do it this way.

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seeing as you dont declare what your going for til after you get the seals
technicaly your not on any weapon yet....

and technically they aren't real weapons, just pixels on my TV screen. ok, i concede.

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Originally Posted by Deltara

I don't mean to stir the pot, guys. But is a 17 min speed run of AV possible with a party that has every job present? Or is the only way to get it hopping around from one job to another to another for different bosses?

Don't get me wrong, I have every battle class at 50 and I will be hopping to whatever job needed to get this done when it is time. BUT, it seems against the spirit of the entire quest to be forced to level MNK to get your PLD relic weapon. Or to be forced to level every job to get one job's relic weapon.

It seems that what we are missing is the fact that a DRG relic weapon quest should be tailored around completing content on DRG.

I know alot of people will say "But you can take a dragoon and finish stuff just fine. I do it all the time on my LS [etc,etc]" but the fact of the matter remains that you cannot play in a full relic-unlocking party without several (or most) people shunning the very job whose relic they are unlocking.

This seems inherently flawed.

Like I said, I'll do what needs to be done to take care of biz, but most people wouldn't be arguing as much as they are if SE would have implemented more job-specific stuff instead of full party of monk, full party of blackmage stuff.

Most likely we'll see some of that going on later, possibly a fight with your unlocked relic weapon being used in order to unlock it, but it is a shame that it can't be integrated into more steps in the process.

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THIS.

This will shut up the people defending the system, or it should. Until I see a <17 min video of a full job party... well I'll hold my breath for a very long time. SE is basically honoring class/job stacking at this point. I will cry the day that they get rid of this speed run bullsh*t and luck type crap. No one wants it, or not to the extreme XIV takes it.

Like I said numerous times, you should have been required to kill stuff (like all three primals) with the class specific weapon on the job you are doing it for. Or be required to do specifc actions in combat against bosses. Not totally change to a different job >.>

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

THIS.

Like I said numerous times, you should have been required to kill stuff (like all three primals) with the class specific weapon on the job you are doing it for. Or be required to do specifc actions in combat against bosses. Not totally change to a different job >.>

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6th step: Resurrect Relic (by using unfinished weapon)
Solo mob level 50+ to spiritbond
Faction leve (up to 4 people)
Fight Ifrit and Garuda

you happy?

Naw, next thing they gonna complain is no people to do Garuda with.