Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

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Originally Posted by usalia

You want them to heal over what the healer did or just take a rdm over the healer?

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I will laugh so VERY hard if healers are deleted outright from the meta in favor of RDM.

EDIT: Even in an 8 man it'd be hilarious if the group was like "We'll take WAR DRK DRG SAM NIN BRD MCH RDM AST. AST can provide passive buffs and the bulk of the healing while RDM acts as most OHs usually do anyway."

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I hope these discussions continues, I want to see people be kicked and less people play healers, which makes queue take alot longer. This is the only way SE will change the way healers play in this game.

PS: If a DPS or Tank is able to heal themselves (or others) and they dont use those skills, then they are lazy aswell and should be kicked toghter with the lazy healers.

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Nono you're right. Healers should only heal.

*healer accidentally dies* RDM! SMN! Rez me!

Sorry, dps only dps.

Here we go again. We have known for many months/years Yoshi's stance on healer dps. Although this latest post changes NOTHING as the playerbase decides how the game is played. If the majority in your party wants you to dps then you dps.
If people want to get round it they will just create PF groups with healer must dps in the comments. Then they can vote dismiss you with no repercussions as you broke the agreed conditions when you joined the party. As for normal content then fine don't dps I personally couldn't care less either way, although if you get kicked by someone for not dpsing then don't complain.

I hope these discussions continues, I want to see people be kicked and less people play healers, which makes queue take alot longer. This is the only way SE will change the way healers play in this game.

PS: If a DPS or Tank is able to heal themselves (or others) and they dont use those skills, then they are lazy aswell and should be kicked toghter with the lazy healers.

94 pages already? Wow we love shouting at each other don't we? My take away from all this is simple, in non-prog content, unless a player is directly causing unnecessary wipes or directly harassing you, who cares how they play really. In content where it matters, you'll obviously have people doing the best they can with everything they got (hopefully). I think the main point Yoshi-P was trying to put across is that please do not force and harangue other players to suit yourself. And that goes both ways. Healer dps is bonus damage and if someone isn't quite comfortable enough to juggle healing/damage, keep calm. Hell that's why they're making it easier to do both yeah?

Okay. Fine. Healer's don't gotta to dps, but there's a condition here.

SMN is allowed to only Ruin. BLM only Blizzard. MNK's, NIN, DRG, etc, don't need to do combo's anymore. Tanks shouldn't do defensive cooldowns. Also, dps should wear vit.

I mean, 99% of the content is built around that anyways. Wouldn't exactly hurt right?

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Originally Posted by Taika

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To add to this, the Japanese data centers have a different meta and a different mentality towards content. Yoshi P, despite being the game producer, is actually talking about something where he doesn't have any more weight in his opinion than we do.

It's been said before but developer intention =/= player response, developer implementation does. Currently, content isn't designed to warrant pure healing, so any member of the development team saying that this is the intention is naive to their own design. Yoshi P is trying to please everyone, and that's causing him to please no-one.

https://youtu.be/hB8_2jRAWl4 I fully expect to catch some flak. :P

All I have to say if this.....First, I have literally read almost every post on these pages over the past day and to see so many players disrespect one another based on differing opinions of playstyle is beyond me. You can call me a White Knight all you want.....but to see it come down to so many people insulting Yoshi P making statements that his opinion is worthless or that he does not have a &%$#ing clue how the game should be played is just beyond sad. Why can't you guys accept you have a right to play how and with whomever you want? If someone does not conform to your expected playstyle.....instead of insults or blatant disrespects like your a 1st grader....why don't you ask them kindly to DPS more if it is that big of a deal for you? And why can't you find others now that there is cross server party forming now that coincides with your playstyle?

Second, If you are healer that does not like to DPS....look at my original posting. I only stated that it was not mandatory and that people should not automatically force you to play especially in pug groups the way they want based solely on their opinion. But, this does not negate on what these other players are saying as a great portion of them have extremely valid points. If you are in a group and the people in your party respectfully ask you to DPS a little....what is the harm in trying? Does that mean if you are still new to the game that you may mess up and accidently kill the party...yes! But to be fair, you need to disclose to these players that you are still new at DPSing as a healer so they can understand that mistakes may happen....and they should not be angry if it does as you have clearly warned them ahead of time respectfully.

Lastly, can we just stop with the disrespects? I get it that this is a hot topic.....but can't we just get to the point of actual voicing your opinions on here and in game nicely to everyone to either explain that you are not good at DPSing as a healer and you may make mistakes to voicing to your healer that you would like them to DPS? Is that to wrong of a thought process to have? Guys have fun, please stop with the insults and lets try to be at least somewhat civil.....take care!

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

And on that note, remember the good old beta days when solo instances actually hurt/required you to bring potions/antidotes. /sigh

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Nope. Although i do remember the beta rage about how duty honor country was so difficult and impossible to clear. But I never saw it. I one shot that quest with no potions antidotes or anything it was never that hard.
Mmso many people breezed it as it was so easy but still they nerfed it.

Even well into arr Steps of faith again I remember so much complaining about it being rock solid impossible but again it was actually a piece of cake to clear but they still nerfed it into oblivion.

That ultimately is why healers hardly bed to heal and have so much down time cos everything is designed or nerfed into ultra easy mode. If it had a proper learning curve and real complexities the dps issue would be much smaller because there would actually be healing to do cos things would actually hurt.

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Lastly, can we just stop with the disrespects? I get it that this is a hot topic.....but can't we just get to the point of actual voicing your opinions on here and in game nicely to everyone to either explain that you are not good at DPSing as a healer and you may make mistakes to voicing to your healer that you would like them to DPS? Is that to wrong of a thought process to have? Guys have fun, please stop with the insults and lets try to be at least somewhat civil.....take care!

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In defence of the community, these disrespects are a forum issue and thankfully are FAR less prevalent in-game, at least in the 4 years that I have played.