What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by CuteBucket

No thanks, I'll pass on reading over two years of discourse over this expansion. I've been on Twitter for the past few years to see enough. -_-; And I've had enough discussions with my friends in my FC and raid group about the expansion and what parts we liked or disliked about it. All my friends who love G'raha and the Scions as a whole had a great time and loved it, though as time has gone on, I've seen them express some issues they had with the pacing of the expansion, if nothing else. But also sometimes people take me not liking parts of Endwalker as some kind of personal attack against them and it's exhausting. I didn't even think it was that bad, just kind of rushed and mid because of it which felt disappointing after how phenomenal Shadowbringers was. I still enjoyed something about the game enough to keep playing it at any rate.

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Striker has a strange obsession with rushing to the game's defense in every topic and regurgitating the same "silent majority vs vocal minority" comments ad naseum. I wouldn't take his post seriously.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Striker has a strange obsession with rushing to the game's defense in every topic and regurgitating the same "silent majority vs vocal minority" comments ad naseum. I wouldn't take his post seriously.

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Hey, you remember that Elezen that would always post those really obnoxious memes about MUH MAJORITY whenever Striker would post anything? I wonder what happened to her.. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Hey, you remember that Elezen that would always post those really obnoxious memes about MUH MAJORITY whenever Striker would post anything? I wonder what happened to her.. :confused:

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They got banned like a lot of the more vocal posters in this topic, which I think explains why there's like almost zero gas left in this tank.

Addendum: Or they just left.

It's also been two and a half years and close to a thousand pages. There's only so much to be said.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

You have just perfectly described the problem. The Twelve are something that is with your character all the way from character creation. Crafting and gathering abilities reference them, so do multiple locations in-game. The fact that they had next to nothing to do with the main story is exactly my issue. They should have been there, but they weren't. Instead, it felt like the writing team went "oh yeah and these gods are a loose end, we need to tie that up", stuck them into an alliance raid series (aka side content) and then killed them off before we properly got to know them because it's lore they no longer want to deal with.

Personally, I was interested in the guardians from character creation. I remember picking one that sounded kinda good because I knew nothing about them back then. I would have picked a different one now, except I guess it no longer matters because they are gone. My character coming to Ishgard and switching to worshipping Halone is a part of his story, except it feels like it has now been taken away. I don't think he would continue to pray when he knows his deity is dead.

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I guess since we never see them in the main story I didn’t have very high hopes for what we’d learn in an alliance raid. MotR was the only AR I was ever excited about, but I already knew those narratives are extremely thin and we wouldn’t learn much of note. What I expected to happen is exactly what happened, which was satisfying (because I’m never right!) but also disappointing since there were no surprises.

I enjoyed the raids overall, but I get being let down by it too. Makes me wonder how this bodes for future stories; the writer was a newbie iirc. Were they just instructed to write something meant to burn the lore and move on? How are those types of decisions even made?

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Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito

They got banned like a lot of the more vocal posters in this topic, which I think explains why there's like almost zero gas left in this tank.

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This is blatantly false. Most of the vocal posters just stopped logging in, lol.

I'm more toxic than any of them and I wasn't banned.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

This is blatantly false. Most of the vocal posters just stopped logging in, lol.

I'm more toxic than any of them and I wasn't banned.

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Damn I wasn't actually counting on them forging ahead after all this time.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

This is blatantly false. Most of the vocal posters just stopped logging in, lol.

I'm more toxic than any of them and I wasn't banned.

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They all went to their own separate discord they kept advertising here, where I assume they all talk about how much they hate Endwalker, Venat, the Scions, democracies in fiction, and cultures in fantasy that aren't inspired by medieval Europe.

Or they all moved on with their lives.

Though considering a couple of them came back to complain about the game again despite proclaiming they were going to leave the game forever, we'll see them again when Dawntrail hits.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

It's also been two and a half years and close to a thousand pages. There's only so much to be said.

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This.

Particularly when what has been said has been said repeatedly over those two and a half years.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

They all went to their own separate discord they kept advertising here, where I assume they all talk about how much they hate Endwalker, Venat, the Scions, democracies in fiction, and cultures in fantasy that aren't inspired by medieval Europe.

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There's only so much hatred for Venat to spare (I.E. everything that can be said about her, has been said about her, and that only flames up if a Redditor or other social media user kindles it). The focus nowadays is mostly on how lame FFXIV's become overall, but only in the designated, "Rag on FFXIV" chat. Most recently, just like this forum, many LOLs were had about the Graphical Update/Benchmark SNAFU. Beyond that there's a lot of laughs being had at overly modded characters and the like, and how Second Life-esque a lot of the XIV playerbase has become.

Some people do still play and there's a designated chat to talk about game mechanics and things too. It kind of turns into a tales from the duty finder sort of place at times, at other times it delves into liking/not liking certain dungeon designs or raid fight mechs and things. Or ludonarrative stuff around story events etc. Compare and contrasts of older FFXIV content with more recent FFXIV content.

They tend to talk about other MMOs plenty, other games too, and talk about releases they're looking forward too. There's a music sharing channel, and it confirms that their tastes are far reaching and multifaceted.

And they joke around a lot, and mostly have excellent senses of humor.

It's actually in my top 5 Discords that I bother to visit. And I'm in around 30.