Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Azell

oh hello @Exiled_Tonberry (OP) just passing by to say i told you so on the sch aetherflow, it got a bit nerfed to 10% from 20% but there is the trait that can reduce the cd by 10s everytime a stack is used, so its still good.
ok, have fun, later.

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It's not gone though, which I'm pretty sure what was said when we discussed that.

Btw as far as I know, Fey Illumination is still in the game. So Divine Seal +Fey Ilum.
All we get back is our same Divine Seal, but nerfed. It's actually funny how much SE doesn't care. It's like we're being punished.

Either way, I made my decision and I'm sticking with it. Hopefully all of us leaving healing (or even healing in general) behind opens their eyes a bit. Because this is insane.

Adding my voice as well. I've been White Mage since the closed beta of 2.0 and was hoping all the talk about White Mages getting shafted was nothing but a bunch of people crying over nothing but gosh... Looking at all the information we have now, going AST is the only way forward it seems. RIP White Mage.

It ASTOUNDS me that people give the OP the time of day considering all his threads.

I'm probably not adding anything that hasn't already been said, but I felt the need to make my voice heard to SE. As someone that has played WHM as a main since Phase 3 Beta and stuck by it through every nerf in hopes that one day they might get themselves together, the complete mishandling of it going into 4.0 has finally made me hang up my staff for the foreseeable future. I wanted to give it time and thoroughly read all of the skills, but as others have said, it's all right there in black and white, clear as crystal that they have no idea what they are doing.

They stripped it of everything that defined it to throw into the cross-role system, so that we have to waste all of our slots taking back what we had. The biggest disappointment there was seeing Divine Seal, a job action, taken away and neutered. Furthermore, why strip us of Shroud of Saints, one of the few abilities we had to (poorly) manage our MP pool and make us take it as a cross-role ability?

This awful Lilly/Confession system. These uncontrolled, laughably bad cool down reductions on existing skills are arguably useless. That 15% shield we got? Seriously? I won't go into extreme details, because I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said. It's just not good all around.

How did they drop the ball so badly? I would loved to have been in the room when they were discussing this and how they settled on these changes. For all that talk of not adding another healer until they balanced the current ones and this was their answer, I'm speechless.

This needs a lot of work, SE. I hope you're up to the task.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I am retiring my WHM, effective immediately, and encouraging everyone I see to not even level it. It's nothing but a noob trap idiots waste their time leveling now.

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A noob trap is the most accurate way to put this, I've been playing this game for only 2 weeks playing only whm adamantly and determined to get to 60. Several days ago someone stopped me in a dungeon and pleaded with me to find another class to play but I felt tenacious in attempting to play this job through future end game level content and now I just feel foolish.

Going to preface this with the fact I am a SCH main, but...

What on earth are they thinking with the changes? I'm seeing no real synergy between how WHM plays and how the new stuff works. Chance of getting stacks, sure, but only on Cure/Cure II? Unless your tank is really taking that much damage, it's not really going to help. The fact you lose your stacks whenever you use your various skills it affects (Unsure why Asylum uses it. Was the skill that required?) makes it less than useful if you need the boosts now, since you want the cooldown effects early over later, plus Divine Benison is locked behind the Lilies, so you either get to shield someone, or keep the boosts to recharge, and if you use the Lilies anywhere else, you lose your shields. Secret of the Lily II isn't necessarily bad, but why only those two skills? Why not all the skills that the Lilies affect?

And while I am sure this has been mentioned, is there any reasons Confessions stacks don't come from Regens/Medica II? I'm not sure most WHM will be spamming cures on people if needed, so more often than not only the MT will have the stacks when it is time to spend them.

Would be nice if Confession stacks game a small boost to damage or something, though, for a bit of utility.

Actually, as a random train of thought, if overhealing refunded some of the MP cost of Cure/Cure II, would it be more useful for trying for Lily/Confession stacks?

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

The fact you lose your stacks whenever you use your various skills it affects (Unsure why Asylum uses it. Was the skill that required?) makes it less than useful if you need the boosts now, since you want the cooldown effects early over later, plus Divine Benison is locked behind the Lilies, so you either get to shield someone, or keep the boosts to recharge, and if you use the Lilies anywhere else, you lose your shields.

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There's really no reason to actively AVOID using skills we freely use anyway in order to gain a completely garbage shield. Maybe if it was like 100% of the target's max HP, AND had some kind of reflect property. AND haste. But it doesn't. Just try running a few dungeons as WHM but take Stoneskin/Stoneskin II off your bars, along with your choice of one of either Esuna/Protect/Swiftcast/Divine Seal/Shroud of Saints. Welcome to White Mage 4.0.

On every level the mechanics are a failure. They don't mesh with the way the class is played currently, they don't promote a more diverse playstyle, they aren't easy to get, they aren't powerful to use, they aren't controllable in any fashion.

The lily stacks could work just fine if you could then use them to proc some utility based abilities. This way there is build up there. Instead it's just cooldown reduction which is ok, but not giving the whm's the utility they want. Proc seems a bit low though.

WHM is and will be great for dungeons and is and will be capable of doing any content in the game.

It won't excel in raiding. Any personal DPS it can do is outweighed by Balance/Chain Strategem, and they won't make a fight that can't be healed by any combination of healers. Its healing power will likely remain irrelevant. Especially when SCH healing was barely touched (50 potency reduction to Embrace is the only nerf I have seen), and AST healing potencies were buffed again, in addition to Minor Arcana and Earthen whatever. Coupled with the party utility of sch and ast, why bring a WHM to raid unless you're a contrarian or there's a trash fight like A2S or T4. And I'd rather there wasn't a trash fight even though I wanted to raid as WHM.

As other have stated, the Lily system is just baffling. It's awful. I have been raiding as scholar since Gordias and was hoping to switch. As things are now, I'll still do expert and 24 mans on WHM. That's it, though.