Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

Do you really think they put much thought/work on resizing gear for roegadyn or elezen?
The new race itself would bring enough new people to the game that it would pay for itself.

The fact that Yoshida said "if you want a new race let us know and we'll consider it" already shows that the money to create it isn't the issue.

Please find a better excuse.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Do you really think they put much thought/work on resizing gear for roegadyn or elezen?
The new race itself would bring enough new people to the game that it would pay for itself.

The fact that Yoshida said "if you want a new race let us know and we'll consider it" already shows that the money to create it isn't the issue.

Please find a better excuse.

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Would it? I think you are overestimating how many people want it, the majority of the community is extremely indifferent.

Also... seriously? Don't you see how much work goes into resizing gear?
Each piece needs to be resized and fitted to avoid clipping as best as possible, animations need to be tested and so on. With two new jobs, the amount of gear variation goes up even more, and adding a new race is a HUGE undertaking, to put it into perspective: imagine there are 60 new gear sets in stormblood (5 levelling sets * 7 gear types, 15 AF gear, 7 NM raid gear, 7 SVG raid gear), now times that by 6, one for each race, that is 360 unique pieces of gear, now times that by two because of M/F differences, that is 720 unique pieces of gear. That is what we currently have for 4.0 alone.

If you add in Viera, that number goes up to 896 unique gear packages that need to be designed, WITHOUT including needing to create two extra versions of every piece of gear from 2.0-3.55 (I can't begin to imagine how many that is), and even if that was done, they would need to add two extra gear packages for every piece of gear from then on. So yeah, I do think a lot of thought/work goes into resizing gear to fit new races.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Would it? I think you are overestimating how many people want it, the majority of the community is extremely indifferent.

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Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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No, I'm going to believe the comment where Yoshi P didn't want Viera. Also, that poll is from 2012, a little outdated don't you think? For the sake of keeping information current, you should cite your sources from after Au ra was released. In 2012 the devs had no idea what implementing a new race would be like from a development side, and their entire philosophy and attitude has likely changed (like with almost every aspect of the game).

The poll you are referring to: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

I'm not the one with excuses, the fact is that 4.0 didn't get a new race so I feel safe with my speculation, you are the one that needs to justify your claims with current, relevant sources, because there has been no mention of Viera since before 3.0 came out.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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One thing that people seem to gloss over about that poll was the fact that it was an opinionated poll. In that it was a query in finding out what the player base had hopes of seeing. No where in that poll did it say "What will we add next?" or "What should we add next?" or "The next race shall/will be!"

Word for word "What type of race or clan would you most like to see added in the future?"

Just because it has not been added yet does not mean it won't be. Still plenty of future left in this game.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Hear the word:
bring us Viera race!
For you and for me
And the entire player base.
There are... people crying
If you care enough for our begging.
Make a Viera race for you and for me.

... /moonwalk

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@lambda

Okay but where is the substitute plan?

Work is work but removing possible content with no substance still doesn't validate your opinion.

Like I said, you can feel freely about how you want, but this is a SUPPORT thread. Not a "why this shouldn't be a thing." Post.

If you wanna offer a replacement, that's fine but if not you're just impeding on a dream that doesn't belong to you, nor interrupts your lifestyle or game experience.

As for content creators, who are you to mandate what they should and shouldn't do? If they decide to do it, they're going to do it. It's their job. They want to promote the content they make and hopefully make an impact on the PLAYERS for their ENJOYMENT.

I dont get why there is such an argument over Viera being added. Obviously a lot of people want it. I absolutely love the initial (non-cute) concept art, which isn't anything like the miqo'te given the limbs.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3g2sq4GS1F...600/jaxxon.jpg

This guy is what I think of...

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Work is work but removing possible content with no substance still doesn't validate your opinion.

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This is kinda misconstruing what I said. I'm not saying that the possibility should be removed because it has no substance (glamour is true endgame after all), I'm saying that the work is so great that it would actively take away from other pieces of content (most likely the amount of gear sets that the dev team is able to make), and I am wondering if the sacrifice is worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

If you wanna offer a replacement, that's fine but if not you're just impeding on a dream that doesn't belong to you, nor interrupts your lifestyle or game experience.

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I'm sorry? Am I not allowed to post feedback and discussion for the devs to listen to? I haven't actually impeded on the dreams of many people in this thread, I think it is fine to want Viera, but when people are actively assuming that pieces of content mean that Viera is happening, spreading misinformation about the dev teams views, and being toxic towards anyone who disagrees with their "Viera or riot" mentality, then I am going to respond. Though since you asked so nicely.....

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Okay but where is the substitute plan?

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Substitute plan: Ok, so the entire problem with adding new races is the race model, and fitting gear to it, so the natural way to eliminate problems is additional character creation options, and new clans. I had an idea yesterday about a "wight lalafell" that natively has a skin tone and hair colour of a duskwight elezen or xaela Au ra, with eyes that glow a customisable colour. The reason I thought of this is that through this race you can give your lala dark blue skin and yellow eyes and become a true BLM. The point is that this is a new, fairly unique race that wouldn't cause skeletal problems.

If you want to go down the Viera route though, you could have beast-like roegadyn, with the males being inspired by galkas, and the females being inspired by Viera (without the ears). What could then happen is the dev team brings out the fran hairstyle for roes (and potentially all races), and a new headpiece called "Viera ears". Functionally you can create a Viera from all of these components without all of the problems that come with adding a new race in its entirety.

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Like I said, you can feel freely about how you want, but this is a SUPPORT thread. Not a "why this shouldn't be a thing." Post.

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It goes both ways, I'm allowed to have an opinion, and by shutting down half of the argument then you are denying me the option to care about the game. I don't actually have an issue with Viera, I have an issue with Viera being a huge strain on resources, and what I see from this thread is the community forcing the devs hand (Viera or riot etc.) on something that is going to be a huge amount of work and it makes me sad that we can't just let the devs create the game based on what is feasible and what they want to create (example: they can't design anything around Ivalice without Viera being mentioned, people here have said that they will be angry if Viera isn't in RtI, despite Viera having little to do with FFT that the raid is based on). I'm not stepping on the toes of support, I'm giving a much needed reality check to a certain demographic of Viera supporters.