Damn, that sucks. But you can change gear mid dungeon... I've done it and I've seen it done. Had a tank in sastasha once that wanted to try going through with lvl 1 Cloud outfit and no accessories. Only a lvl 42 sword. It didn't go very well, we were all pulling hate like crazy and his hp was up and down like a roller coaster. He put on real gear about halfway through and things went fine from there. A REALLY competent tank could probably handle with low lvl gear. But it'd still be hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by bounddreamer
My guess on that though on this instance is that the healer and tank were queued up together. And it DEFINITELY sounds like the tank was new. And sastasha is the 1st dungeon as well. It's where you will truly get the newbies. But you could also probably have had anyone else tank it. That dungeon doesn't really require much effort.
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12-11-2015, 03:19 AMMalicewolf
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12-11-2015, 03:53 AMbounddreamerOh, I know! Have done it myself, esp if I level to 50/60 and have the higher level gear set waiting for me. Maybe I obscured too much but the healer said the tank could change to his BLM. That's what I, and the other dps, said he couldn't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicewolf
I main a tank, so perhaps I was particularly critical because of that, but the tank needs to be able to take hits and hold hate. That's our job. This guy couldn't do either with the gear or weapon he had, so BLM and I left when it was obvious he was, as the BLM said, wasting our time. And there won't be anything preventing them from requeuing. I just hope they take it as the sign they need to get and equip better gear at the very least. -
12-11-2015, 04:17 AMKaitlanKela
I have another awesome DF story. I think Primal is the best Data Center. :)
I queue for Sohm Al. I'm still "new" and working my way through HW MSQ. It's my first time. I get a BLM a DRG and a PLD...I think if I remember correctly. I immediately say "Hello everyone. First time here!" just to let everyone know.
I get no greetings back, instead the PLD proceeds to pull half of everything between the beginning and the first boss. Whoa-a! So I quickly cast adlo and shielding stuff, but the tank and the DPS are burning everything down super fast. Tank is obviously experienced and by the end I was actually able to bane out some debuffs. That's basically how the trash went the whole dungeon - two giant pulls between each boss.
The Tank is more like a freight train and I don't think he ever stopped running. He wouldn't even stop to pick up chests, he was picking them up as he ran past them. I have no idea when he rolled for loot: I think he must have ran and rolled at the same time. DPS would have to run to pick up the chests off the past because he was not stopping! Many times I would have to sprint to catch up because after a pull he would start running forward while I was still at range. I also REALLY had to watch my MP because I would use a lot each pull and there was basically no recovery time. First time I've really had to do that as a SCH - very fun and challenging.
The bosses were all incredibly fast and easy. I managed to not screw up any of the mechanics. Nobody ever died, there were no wipes, it was basically the most intense speed run I've ever been in, let alone for a dungeon first clear.
After the final boss I was like, "OMG guys that was the best ever. Thank you so much for the party!" But by the time I'm out of the cutscene the tank is already gone. The DPS roll loot and then poof. Nobody said anything at all! But, that's okay for me. As long as I made the run easy for them it's all good.
I did get two comms, so there's that! I don't think the Tank stayed long enough to comm anyone. lol
Crazy! So that's what people mean when they talk about "speed run"s. When I left the instance I had 13 minutes left on my protect. O.o -
12-11-2015, 04:17 AMVeralidaine
So, I unlocked the awry on my DRK character last night and proceeded to queue up. I know the aery like the back of my hand from a healing standpoint, but I've never tanked it before. I let the group know this, and healer also says it's their first time.
Now, I'm not sure if I didn't get the memo or something, but for one, this is a LEVELING dungeon, not speed run always reap or fractal.
So I pull the first group, just woke up from a nap and healers new, so testing the waters seeing how hard I get hit etc. I am in quest gear so not sure how effective it's gonna be right away.
The BLM says something along the lines of "you need to do a proper pull, two mobs is not a proper pull". She then proceeds to run off and pull the next group. This makes me kind of mad, so I say "healer said theyre new and my first time tanking so calm your tits" and get a snarky reply back. Whatever, I just decide to ignore it after that and continue with the dungeon.
Okay so, I know how to tank, I've looked up guides, I've asked questions, I do things for a reason. We get about halfway through, I'm having some aggro issues because the BLM keeps running off and pulling extra shit, they die once. They come back and say "ok try to follow directions. Use this spell this spell and this spell". I do some bigger pulls and surprise, because someone other than the tank isn't running off pulling extra shit, no aggro problems!
The healer was on my side throwing snark back at the BLM the whole time. In the end we completed dungeon with no wipes, no problems, and rather quickly.
The next time I queued, I went for the first two groups pulled together to appease any jerks. Well, ended up dying even with ccooldowns. Said "sorry, too much" healer said yeah, so I said "sorry, got yelled at last time I only pulled first group". One of the dps said just go at your own pace don't worry about what other people say. Sound advice, I'm gonna take it from now on. -
12-11-2015, 05:05 AMIagainsti
Leveling my Blk with my Healer friend; we get LCA for the lvl 50 roulette with a BRD who not only didn't pop Foe's once for the mad pulls, but left Mage's Ballad up the whole duty, I mean every boss, every pull. My Healer friend kept typing /p <mp> top me up plz!!!! every chance she got when her mp hit 90% xD. Pretty hilarious time all around really, even the df tank was cracking bad DJ jokes, still went completely over the BRD's head. Still ripped through it though, and topped 566 dps on diabolos #EFFdoorsLet'sDance
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12-11-2015, 05:19 AMAshkendorEnmity is pretty fragile until a few GCD's in for any tank, even with their tank stance up. The first hit of any of our combos doesn't even generate extra enmity. If you're going to use a strong opener in any content, you need to either get Quelling Strikes or resign yourself to getting punched in the face a lot. The fact that it was a Paladin (the lowest enmity modifiers among tanks) that wouldn't even put Shield Oath up (why would you even do this?) was making it much worse than it had to be, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
You're far nicer than I would've been. I would've just let them die since they obviously pulled on purpose. You pull it, you tank it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Veralidaine
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12-11-2015, 05:25 AMTwiliteThe Aery's packs are too far apart for speed running anyway. You can skip the first two "sleeping" dragons(I think) as they just waste time, but other than that it's just safer to do 1 at time. 2 groups if you have all your big CDs ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veralidaine
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12-11-2015, 05:27 AMSelli
Ran Level 50 Roulette on my PLD with my boyfriend, got Bray HM.
Mass pull the first room, goes smooth. Put ignore on the next 2 adds so we can lock them out of the boss room. Our pug DPS, a DRG, starts whacking the enemies with ignore and rips hate off me and a manages to drag them both into the boss room. >.>
Pull them off him and kill them and start working on the boss. This idiot is stacked on top of me--the MT--spamming what looks like the exact same combo over and over (I saw Impulse Drive twice ._.).
They were level 60 too. =.=
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Same day, I was running the Arey (I'm trying to get the tank boots and helm for a level 60 glamor ;c).
The run is going pretty smooth until we get to the last boss, the BRD is standing by Estinien when they get targeted with the Sable. The poor NIN doesn't see him and the BRD dies.
Nidhogg disappears while the BRD is in Sable a 2nd time and dies while the rest of us are trying to kill it and the adds.
We wipe.
NIN apologizes and the BRD throws a huge fit about it, I tell him that he should stack in when he gets targeted by the Sable because we have a melee and if he stacks far enough into Nidhogg, even I would be able to hit it as well. "No. I ALWAYS stay at max range." Guess they don't use Repelling Shot then, either?
We clear it on this 2nd attempt, BRD leaves in a huff and I give the NIN my commendation for not arguing back and being a good DPS the whole dungeon (they even Goad'd my lil' PLD during boss fights. o3o). -
12-11-2015, 05:34 AMTaranTatsuuchiI play on PC, and I personally prefer to use my controller. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
Cooldowns are always necessary. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Fluestergras
Better to be in the practice of using them than not.
That's a level 60 duty right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
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12-11-2015, 05:35 AMAshkendorThis reminds me of a SMN I got yesterday in Void Ark. He kept running all over kingdom come instead of staying near the party. At the third boss, he was clear over on the other side of the room from the rest of us. Not only was he not getting hit by AoE heals (or cards, we had two AST so the buffing was near constant), he was completely out of range even for single target spells. From time to time he'd bitch in party chat that we weren't healing him. That third boss is a big enough pain in the ass without having to chase people all over the damn place to heal them. I really wish more DPS would do the healers a favor and stay within range. :sQuote:
Originally Posted by Selli