Submersible Information Thread

Here's a sortable list of every possible sub build

I'm gonna send a pair out with -20 surveillance and 160 retreival. Should be interesting...

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

There's a certain amount of surveillance needed to even get some of the good/rarer drops from sectors. It seems to be around the 90 mark. Would be nice if we got some hint messages for these sort of things, like "The mammets think they spotted something else in the area, but the submersible lacked the ability to survey the area further."

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Yes, I had looked into it. But that number was for the end-game airships sectors, which were 5 stars each. So far, the highest level sector we can unlock for submarines is 3 stars, so I am assuming that we don't need 90 surveillance just yet. I could be wrong, though.

Edit: I too wish there was a message hinting at what stat/s we might need more of... *sigh*

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Here's a sortable list of every possible sub build

I'm gonna send a pair out with -20 surveillance and 160 retreival. Should be interesting...

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Hah! Yeah, I saw that build too and wondered if they would actually let you add parts if it gave your ship negative stats. Or if a ship with negative stats would be allowed to launch at all. I am looking forward to your update on this!

Updated the items I have seen mentioned in this thread so far.

I see sub 3 but not sub 2, where does that unlock from?

The first page on here is really disorganized. Is there perhaps a better chart out there, like the airship one we have here where the info is categorized well and the layout isn't as haphazard? I really don't want to have to sift through 30 pages to find info that should be on the first page if this wants to be a true guide.

No offence to op, the layout is just super confusing and there seems to be a lot of basic info missing.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I see sub 3 but not sub 2, where does that unlock from?

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To unlock sub 2, you need to explore the lv20 location: Unidentified Derelict

Central Rimilala Trench
- vitality III

Wreckage of Discovery I
- sapphires (not star this time)

Parts materials list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I see sub 3 but not sub 2, where does that unlock from?

The first page on here is really disorganized. Is there perhaps a better chart out there, like the airship one we have here where the info is categorized well and the layout isn't as haphazard? I really don't want to have to sift through 30 pages to find info that should be on the first page if this wants to be a true guide.

No offence to op, the layout is just super confusing and there seems to be a lot of basic info missing.

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maybe you want something like this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=881882223

For those who got the marine wax from Wreckage, what parts were you running on your sub?

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Originally Posted by Kirito_Bladerunner

The Surveillance build is the ship that you use to discover new areas. It maxes the surveillance, favor, and speed stats in that order of importance. Currently, the best parts to secure this build is a complete Unkui submarine. That is to say, Unkui bow, bridge, hull, and stern. In order to have enough build points to equip all of these pieces, your sub must be at least level 17

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The "RNG is fun" side of this left my Unkui sub failing to discover Deep-sea Site 4 after many attempts. But what happens when I send my third sub out, completely geared in Shark parts while still leveling? That's what RNG decided to have find it.

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Originally Posted by CrazyCowboy

For those who got the marine wax from Wreckage, what parts were you running on your sub?

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I think my sub that retrieved it is:
Unkiu Hull
Whale Stern
Unkiu Bow
Whale Bridge

My other sub that is high enough level is still full Unkiu, but I don't think it came from that one as it was trying to unlock Deep-sea Site 4 at the time.

Here's what -20 Surveillance looks like. Large quantities of junk.

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[13:08]You obtain 10 strips of bamboo weave.
[13:08]You obtain 11 strips of bamboo weave.
[13:08]You obtain 36 wind crystals.
[13:08]You obtain 39 wind crystals.
[13:08]You obtain 16 craftsman's cunning materia III.
[13:08]You obtain 16 craftsman's cunning materia III.
[13:08]You obtain 26 rubies.
[13:08]You obtain 29 star rubies.
[13:08]The Seaward subaquatic voyage finalized.

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[13:10]You obtain 6 deep-blue crystals.
[13:10]You obtain 12 strips of bamboo weave.
[13:10]You obtain 37 fire crystals.
[13:10]You obtain 22 birch branches.
[13:10]You obtain 16 savage might materia II.
[13:10]You obtain 43 birch branches.
[13:10]You obtain 69 water shards.
[13:10]You obtain 27 star sapphires.
[13:10]You obtain 27 sapphires.
[13:10]Dangerboat subaquatic voyage finalized.

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Originally Posted by Kirito_Bladerunner

I've been seeing a few asks about the best builds to make. Since I've done the calculations for myself, I figured that I'd share what I have.

I based my calculations on how the airship stats were set up for end-game and came up with two significant builds that I have decided to call Surveillance and Retrieval.

The Surveillance build is the ship that you use to discover new areas. It maxes the surveillance, favor, and speed stats in that order of importance. Currently, the best parts to secure this build is a complete Unkui submarine. That is to say, Unkui bow, bridge, hull, and stern. In order to have enough build points to equip all of these pieces, your sub must be at least level 17.

https://i.imgur.com/dyVvlnI.png

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Hi just wanted to point out that your ship pieces are miss-labeled. I checked the stat values and they are incorrect for the listed parts. If you want to make it correct, switch the place of stern and bridge.

It was confusing for me, but your numbers are correct, only the label is wrong. So I hope you don't remake your whole spreadsheet. :P

Anyway, just wanted to help in case someone else got confused. Have a nice day. :)

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Originally Posted by CrazyCowboy

For those who got the marine wax from Wreckage, what parts were you running on your sub?

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Got one off Unkiu Hull, Unkiu Stern, Shark Bow, Unkiu Bridge.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Hi just wanted to point out that your ship pieces are miss-labeled. I checked the stat values and they are incorrect for the listed parts. If you want to make it correct, switch the place of stern and bridge.

It was confusing for me, but your numbers are correct, only the label is wrong. So I hope you don't remake your whole spreadsheet. :P

Anyway, just wanted to help in case someone else got confused. Have a nice day. :)

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Ah, you're right. I do seem to have swapped the two part's stats. Thanks for the catch! An easy fix on the spreadsheet, though a more tedious fix when it comes to my calculations. XP

Edit: Turns out it was an easy fix. Also fixed the images for the builds on the original posts in case anyone is using them or uses them in the future.

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Originally Posted by Flobu

maybe you want something like this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=881882223

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Yes that has much better info on it, thanks!

Offender's Rot
- Scarlet Sap
https://i.imgur.com/EyH2NZW.png

Deep-sea site 3
- Water Crystal
https://i.imgur.com/5yplCMz.png

Okay. Legend-of-Mitsuki, you can use those tables.
They look like tables from Airship Guide theme and they are really conveniently.
Those tables will be updated as your addition information pool grows.
Also you can add me in Discord (Quadol#7383) for fast cooperation and editing those tables.
I added last info from your additions too.

https://i.imgur.com/ibFHizL.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/uMpsYXB.png
https://i.imgur.com/lYpfg5p.png

Offender's Rot
- Birch Branch
https://i.imgur.com/okL6eKb.png

Thank you Quadoline for providing those up-to-date tables. They have now been added to the first post.

Central Rimilala Trench
- ferberite

Mystic Basin
- ferberite

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Originally Posted by Montreivayir

Central Rimilala Trench
- ferberite

Mystic Basin
- ferberite

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Add screenshots please

The Central Rimilala Trench had deep-red clusters and raw celestines.

https://i.imgur.com/rUY9riL.jpg

@Deepthunder -Wow! What set-up are you using to obtain so much variety and quantity?

Also, here's the materials for the Whale-class submersible...
https://imgur.com/48yeBmF

Im using full whale. that trip was Offender's Rot (lightning and ice crystals)-> Mystic Basin (ferberite and savage aim3) -> Neolith Island (bamboo and fire crystal) -> Central Rimilala (deep-red clusters and raw celestines) -> Deep-sea 2 (competence 3). Whale keeps bringing in big hauls but there is always rng in it.

Edit: made compilation screenshot out of the log https://imgur.com/WLNNfiL

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Originally Posted by Deepthunder

Im using full whale.

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Out of curiosity, why did you go full whale? The stats on it aren't going to allow the subs to bring back any of the submersible only items (music scrolls, pets, special crafting mats) Unlike the airship parts the newer sub parts aren't direct upgrades.

Im fairly new to the whole airship/submarine system. I have heard of mixing of airship components, but i have little knowledge on the value of stats. So at least until now i have been satisfied with unlocking the new zones and listening for new info on what is from which zone. Im running a full shark and a full whale. Looking at stats in hindsight the shark seems like a good scout with its high surveillance and whale should be able to bring back big quantities with its high range and retrieval. Until we figure out the range requirements we have, it might be good to spam the new areas with shark and hope for huge hauls of choice loot with whale.

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Originally Posted by Deepthunder

Im fairly new to the whole airship/submarine system. I have heard of mixing of airship components, but i have little knowledge on the value of stats. So at least until now i have been satisfied with unlocking the new zones and listening for new info on what is from which zone. Im running a full shark and a full whale. Looking at stats in hindsight the shark seems like a good scout with its high surveillance and whale should be able to bring back big quantities with its high range and retrieval. Until we figure out the range requirements we have, it might be good to spam the new areas with shark and hope for huge hauls of choice loot with whale.

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Both all shark (30) and all whale (25) have horrible surveillance. The now middle tier parts (Unkiu) really seem to have the best stats for snagging the rarer items and you can swap out a part with a shark/whale part to get the good stuff. Just be aware that airship parts are a direct upgrade each tier (but the part limit will require you to mix tiers), whereas with submersibles they seem to throw each tier's stats in a blender so you have to actually go through and calculate which parts to use. We don't have exact numbers on the surveillance needed for the rarer drops, but for subs I go for a high surveillance build. The bulk items all seem to be stuff the airships have been able to bring in so I don't see a point in designating subs to bring any of that back personally.

Sorry, i think i mixed up the names. I did mean the second submarine version as the "scout". Ill do some part mixing when both subs are back home in couple days.

Someone made a nice builder website and posted it on Reddit.

https://codepen.io/Quadol/full/oyoYGo/

Tested it out with the faster sub. That tool is going to make life a lot easier, thanks.

Deep-sea site 4
- Piety Materia III

https://i.imgur.com/4R5N7rq.png

Deep-sea site 4
- Deep-red Cluster
https://i.imgur.com/QLqVD5m.png

The Central Rimilala Trench
- Ferberite
https://i.imgur.com/BEbxPtH.png

Offender's Rot
- Savage Aim Materia II, III
https://i.imgur.com/wkdvWz9.png

Wreckage of Discovery I: Platinum Ingots
https://imgur.com/RzpvAUC.png

Using an 85S/80R/85F setup, guess 80 isn't enough retrieval to give a positive-sounding results but survey/favor seems ok

I'm still new to airship/submarine management as well. What stats should I be going for in terms of maximizing profits? Buying a large house and building an airship and submarine really took a good chunk of money from my bankroll ^^

If it follows the same formula as airships you'll need at least 90 surveillance to reach the further sectors. Beyond that:
Surveillance increases your odds of finding something
Retrieval increases how much of it you get.
Favor may or may not have something to do with getting rarer mats or HQ vs NQ; I've seen people talk about it but haven't seen anything confirmed about it.
Range increases how far you go, IE more sectors per trip.
Speeds is simply how fast you make the trip.

Most profitable builds seem to focus on maximizing Surveillance and Retrieval with a Range good enough to hit multiple sectors in a trip. Speed is more of a luxury, nice but not worth sacrificing the main stats for.

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Originally Posted by Quadoline

I have the shark build submarine (30 Surveillance) and I already reached all the further sectors (3 stars rank) using the shark build submarine

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Yeah the all shark build is fine for discovering sectors, you will need higher end surveillance to snag the rarer goods though from mostly Unkiu parts.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

Retrieval increases how much of it you get.

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It feels kind of like Retrieval is the G3 shroud soil. It works to get more out of some of the basic plants, but the rare plants (items/materials) will only give 1 regardless. Surveillance or Favor seems to have a chance to tack additional chances on, but I don't think we know which because we're stuck with no stat info and the rng/time per trip would require years to decode it. Maybe something to ask in a live letter? Would be nice if someone from the community team could just get us that info without all the hoop jumping though.

Lucky day

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