with this mindset the future looks dim

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Originally Posted by Ephier

The plague of youtube warriors has been here since day one, and it will never go away. If you do not know a fight, that is what duty finder is for. If you are in a party finder, and do not know what a fight is, especially if it is a group listed as a kill group / farm group, you are going to get chastised for it. Otherwise, you were not wrong for going into t4 without previous knowledge in duty finder.

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This is about correct, but even then, your sort of wasting time in this game NOT watching a vid or 2 before going into a end game fight before hand. They are just too complicated to do otherwise and you are too dependent on the other players.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

This is about correct, but even then, your sort of wasting time in this game NOT watching a vid or 2 before going into a end game fight before hand. They are just too complicated to do otherwise and you are too dependent on the other players.

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thats thing goes on the other side too saying youtuber are dependent on the other player to create video too... so when i enter a DF that ask me to watch video i should say to leader hummm hey wait 30min ill watch the video of the fight cos you want me to watch it ... LOLLLL when its only take 5sec to say some nice hints

the point is not the hints of the boss fight we dont want to know ....its to see the whole dungeon and the mob how they look like before going in it in real ...like some like to watch cutscene but SR hate so much

anyway why do i care about youtuber point of view when you(youtubers) dont care about OUR point of view .....

me like i said on the box it's not wroted requirement to watch youtube video or wroted in the TOS. And we wont get Ban for not doing it.

And for the one saying about going for surgery hummm Yeah like youtube video will help in that ...but school make you learn by doing it yourself on some dead animal or body ... your not just watching a video how to do it ..but doing it right???? cos being there in the room seing the real thing is better idea then seing a video ... so your comment is not so relevent

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Originally Posted by Lamentations

Well if the game does a lousy job so will the video "of it".

People can watch video till they pass out, until people actually do the fight, they don't really know shit about it anyway.

Watching other people fight on you-tube isn't doing it.

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You do realize there are very informative videos that explain every mechanic right?
Just search "boss name mrhappy".

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

thats thing goes on the other side too saying youtuber are dependent on the other player to create video too... so when i enter a DF that ask me to watch video i should say to leader hummm hey wait 30min ill watch the video of the fight cos you want me to watch it ... LOLLLL when its only take 5sec to say some nice hints

the point is not the hints of the boss fight we dont want to know ....its to see the whole dungeon and the mob how they look like before going in it in real ...like some like to watch cutscene but SR hate so much

anyway why do i care about youtuber point of view when you(youtubers) dont care about OUR point of view .....

me like i said on the box it's not wroted requirement to watch youtube video or wroted in the TOS. And we wont get Ban for not doing it.

And for the one saying about going for surgery hummm Yeah like youtube video will help in that ...but school make you learn by doing it yourself on some dead animal or body ... your not just watching a video how to do it ..but doing it right???? cos being there in the room seing the real thing is better idea then seing a video ... so your comment is not so relevent

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Your argument is so flawed it hurts.
You are supposed to know BEFORE you join what to do, do not click the button of join party if you are not prepared. Do you also come in with all gear broken in dungeons or something? Lets just take t5 for instance. You really someone explaining every single mechanic (conflag/fireballs/divebombs/the protection thing i forgot the name off/twisters/dreadnaughts/death sentence) in 5seconds? Has to be the world fastest typer in existence.
Oh and stop trying to use youtuber as some kind of insult.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

You do realize there are very informative videos that explain every mechanic right?
Just search "boss name mrhappy".

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I was hoping for this name to come honestly.

Just search "titan ex mrhappy" and tell me again how useful it was
*hint : it's about totally wrong on all the rotations*

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Your argument is so flawed it hurts.
You are supposed to know BEFORE you join what to do, do not click the button of join party if you are not prepared. Do you also come in with all gear broken in dungeons or something? Lets just take t5 for instance. You really someone explaining every single mechanic (conflag/fireballs/divebombs/the protection thing i forgot the name off/twisters/dreadnaughts/death sentence) in 5seconds? Has to be the world fastest typer in existence.
Oh and stop trying to use youtuber as some kind of insult.

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WOW so you are the master of the game now???????? huh ???
and i can use youtuber since some use NOOB or other word to discribe new people too


ANYWAY like i said ..... IF IT'S NOT IN THE TOS ........every people (NOT PART OF SE DEVELOPPER OR COMUNITY and i mean all of ff14 creaters) have no right on tell us what to do or force us to do that. THE GAME WAS MADE AND SOLD FOR EVERYONE ....for complainer about news people or people who look youtube ....their is Party finder ...if you USE Duty Finder don't complain.

And like i said in many Dungeon i did many time ...at some place there is tactic to talk about .... like bards .. who silence first and who is next ... who do ballad first then who do next .... who is MT and who is OT ... so dont tell me you guy goes in it .. and anyone silence without caring both just double silenced becose they didnt prepare ...youtube wont tell you :your the first one to silence ... cos if its was like that ,the other bard would think it too .. and there wont have any organization

ANYWAY its pointless with you guy ..... till the dev or SE tell us : YOUTUBE is obligatory for dungeon...... YOU player ...for me its like work ... SE is like my BOSS and you guy are my level ..even if you tell me what to do .. you just an employer you have no right to boss me around. ...So like i said you guys have no right to tell us or force us to watch videos ... you have the right to hate us : (we dont mind) ...

Always love this issue

Are you wrong to expect people to be prepared? For harder/endgame content...no
Are you wrong for not looking it up? When you used duty finder also no ( but personally i would still look down on this)

Most of the players with a more hardcore mindset will look up videos etc to best prepare for fights. It helps most people, doesn't mean 1 shot kills either but can save time and reduce the number of wipes.
The game is far less hardcore then most mmo's and as such brings more casual players who are not used to this. ( i did not think to look up videos etc when i started playing wow)

I stopped explaining things to people a long long time ago( I'm sick and tired of it). If some one needs to know tactics and no one else is willing to tell them then i would suggest they look up a video. if they don't like to do that ( the old its spoils things BS)
Then i tell them to read a text based guide, ( honestly the text based guide will explain it better anyway).

If someone cant be bothered to do either.... they have no place in the party.

Started fresh at ARR launch, have now almost every class at 50, and still haven't dared to step into any lv50 party content because of all these horror tales >_<; Reading screenshots like this sure is discouraging.

I'll wait a little bit longer and enjoy the game while I still can~

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Originally Posted by shape

Always love this issue

Are you wrong to expect people to be prepared? For harder/endgame content...no
Are you wrong for not looking it up? When you used duty finder also no ( but personally i would still look down on this)

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But still on side of video seeing ... me like i said many post im dyslexia ... reading doesnt help me ... and video dont either ... and anyway Why did SE imput the Echo buff if its not to try without knowing and learn if die cos not prepare even if not learned much we have a buff that help little to less struggles ... so why do we need to kneel down before all of you who think the game is your creation and you decide everything for everyone cos you did all the end game?????? if most people jump off a bridge doesnt mean i will too ... Point ended i stop posting here

So basically when new content is released, people are expected to sit and wait until videos/guides are produced
before they can take part in it without ridicule. Going in blind is out of the question.

"We'll do T6 after someone else beats it first lol @ going in with no knowledge."

Wow, sounds like a fun time. :rolleyes:

So this thread has boiled down to:

Side A: Raid content requires prior research to save wasted time in duty finder
Side B: Shut up mom! I do whatever I want! No one tells me to watch a video or read a guide!
Side A: Ok then I will not party with you and waste my time when I came prepared and you did not
Side B: Elitist jerk!

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For anyone on side B, please stop talking about low level dungeons or storymode dungeons when it comes to reading guides or watching videos. Side A is only referring to end game raid & progression content. Nobody cares if you didn't read a guide or watched a video for Cape Westwind or Praeratorium.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

So this thread has boiled down to:

Side A: Raid content requires prior research to save wasted time in duty finder
Side B: Shut up mom! I do whatever I want! No one tells me to watch a video or read a guide!
Side A: Ok then I will not party with you and waste my time when I came prepared and you did not
Side B: Elitist jerk!

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For anyone on side B, please stop talking about low level dungeons or storymode dungeons when it comes to reading guides or watching videos. Side A is only referring to end game raid & progression content. Nobody cares if you didn't read a guide or watched a video for Cape Westwind or Praeratorium.

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IM talking about all the game.....

the thing of shut up mom .....
its more ... Youtube = mom
you : mom show me how can i do the fight i dont want to do it alone im affraid of dying

i would more say ...that your not SE or the game master ....

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

But still on side of video seeing ... me like i said many post im dyslexia ... reading doesnt help me ... and video dont either ... and anyway Why did SE imput the Echo buff if its not to try without knowing and learn if die cos not prepare even if not learned much we have a buff that help little to less struggles ... so why do we need to kneel down before all of you who think the game is your creation and you decide everything for everyone cos you did all the end game?????? if most people jump off a bridge doesnt mean i will too ... Point ended i stop posting here

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They can have echo buff 500% and you would still fail unless you know the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

You do realize there are very informative videos that explain every mechanic right?
Just search "boss name mrhappy".

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If you are using Mr Happy guides, than I feel sorry for you. His videos are HORRIBLE.

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Originally Posted by Suniva

If you are using Mr Happy guides, than I feel sorry for you. His videos are HORRIBLE.

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And yet they helped a ton and somehow seem to work for me.
Funny how that works.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

They can have echo buff 500% and you would still fail unless you know the mechanics.

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But atleast i learn trying ;)
we learn with our mistake im not gonna die tomorow you know i got all my life to try it and im not the only one thinking to
when i dont see Learning party in PF but only EXPERIENCE people in PF ..i only can have DF to do and i will do it even if your not happy cos it's not illigal in TOS :)
Thank you ^^

Funny how people call themselves hardcore then have to go watch a video to beat a fight. Also, calling other people lazy for not watching a video when watching the video is taking the lazy way out and then have the nerve to call the game easy. Too funny. :)

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

So this thread has boiled down to:

Side A: Raid content requires prior research to save wasted time in duty finder
Side B: Shut up mom! I do whatever I want! No one tells me to watch a video or read a guide!
Side A: Ok then I will not party with you and waste my time when I came prepared and you did not
Side B: Elitist jerk!.

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This is what this thread has boiled down to really, I think everything that needed to be said from both sides has been said...numerous times on each page, to each their own really...lets just hope that some new players that read this thread will come away with some understanding from the veteran players on coming prepared if they are serious about end game content, some others will continue to play their way no matter how much advising veteran players may provide them.

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

IM talking about all the game.....

the thing of shut up mom .....
its more ... Youtube = mom
you : mom show me how can i do the fight i dont want to do it alone im affraid of dying

i would more say ...that your not SE or the game master ....

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What in the world are you even talking about anymore? mom = youtube?

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

Funny how people call themselves hardcore then have to go watch a video to beat a fight. Also, calling other people lazy for not watching a video when watching the video is taking the lazy way out and then have the nerve to call the game easy. Too funny. :)

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i wouldn't have said it better ^^ :D

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

But atleast i learn trying ;)
we learn with our mistake im not gonna die tomorow you know i got all my life to try it and im not the only one thinking to
when i dont see Learning party in PF but only EXPERIENCE people in PF ..i only can have DF to do and i will do it even if your not happy cos it's not illigal in TOS :)
Thank you ^^

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Then don't whine when people disagree with you and start using some weird ass insults. You want to go in blind? fine for all i care, however don't expect everyone to go happy go lucky with you.
It's also not in the ToS you are forced to help new players when they refuse to help themselves. See i can play this dumb ass game as well.

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

But still on side of video seeing ... me like i said many post im dyslexia ... reading doesnt help me ... and video dont either ... and anyway Why did SE imput the Echo buff if its not to try without knowing and learn if die cos not prepare even if not learned much we have a buff that help little to less struggles ... so why do we need to kneel down before all of you who think the game is your creation and you decide everything for everyone cos you did all the end game?????? if most people jump off a bridge doesnt mean i will too ... Point ended i stop posting here

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Issue, yet again, is if you use the DF and for a COIL (Not dungeon) run, and go in not knowing what to do. Be aware that there are going to be a few people that are going to be annoyed with you, and others that may generally wish to help you out. You EXPECTING people to be nice about you being unprepared, is the same thing as people EXPECTING people to know the fight.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

And yet they helped a ton and somehow seem to work for me.
Funny how that works.

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If you can get passed all his dribble, good for you. I like videos that are straight and to the point, which his videos tend not to be.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

What in the world are you even talking about anymore? mom = youtube?

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...its like asking you mom do show you everything ..but the video does it ....

like him saying we are kids and we dont want to watch video ....

but kid dont want to do thing alone and always ask momy for help NO???? so they use Youtube as HELP

see i explain something to someone i dont get piss off like you guys :P

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

But atleast i learn trying ;)
we learn with our mistake im not gonna die tomorow you know i got all my life to try it and im not the only one thinking to
when i dont see Learning party in PF but only EXPERIENCE people in PF ..i only can have DF to do and i will do it even if your not happy cos it's not illigal in TOS :)
Thank you ^^

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You do realize that you can make a party in the PF on your own, saying that you want people to join for a learning run. (I have seen it and done it myself...) o.O

Lol i agree i stopped watching MR Happy's videos a long time ago.

Dyemare video for turn 5 is what i would call a perfect video guide for a boss fight.

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Originally Posted by Suniva

Issue, yet again, is if you use the DF and for a COIL (Not dungeon) run, and go in not knowing what to do. Be aware that there are going to be a few people that are going to be annoyed with you, and others that may generally wish to help you out. You EXPECTING people to be nice about you being unprepared, is the same thing as people EXPECTING people to know the fight.

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so at the end telling us like always learn fight huh?? so new comer .. dont come dont buy it .... then HEY SE is bad there is no more new update on ff14 i quit ...... BLEH it's normal you guys scared all the new people they cant experience the game on their one ... they need to know all the game before buying it lol

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

...its like asking you mom do show you everything ..but the video does it ....

like him saying we are kids and we dont want to watch video ....

but kid dont want to do thing alone and always ask momy for help NO???? so they use Youtube as HELP

see i explain something to someone i dont get piss off like you guys :P

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I for one am not mad at anyone on this forum. People just need to accept that in an MMO, there will be all forms of players one encounters. Raging and getting upset at a person different play style is rather silly, but it happens. -shrug- My opinion is my own, and I do not try and force it down another person, nor will I ever argue that my own personal opinion is the BEST OPINION, which is what I see a lot of people doing here. There is no right or wrong way to play the game. Everyone just needs to learn to play nice with one another rather than expecting people to conform to their own "personal" standards.

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Originally Posted by Suniva

You do realize that you can make a party in the PF on your own, saying that you want people to join for a learning run. (I have seen it and done it myself...) o.O

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then why cant you either ???? why us huh ?? ..you guy want many speed run always ,when if you make PF you already have a party and take no time to get in DF in full already made party right ???so when leave df after finish you go in it as soon as you leave

so i dont see the point to kick us out of DF and block us of it???

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

...its like asking you mom do show you everything ..but the video does it ....

like him saying we are kids and we dont want to watch video ....

but kid dont want to do thing alone and always ask momy for help NO???? so they use Youtube as HELP

see i explain something to someone i dont get piss off like you guys :P

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Oh wow, i am trying to imagine you explaining twin, now that would be a goddam sight.
And here i stop arguing because the only thing you do now is insulting everyone who does not agree with you.

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

so at the end telling us like always learn fight huh?? so new comer .. dont come dont buy it .... then HEY SE is bad there is no more new update on ff14 i quit ...... BLEH it's normal you guys scared all the new people they cant experience the game on their one ... they need to know all the game before buying it lol

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Um, no. That is not at all what I said. I said the issue is that one argument is expecting people to be nice to them all the time if they are unaware of a fight. The other argument is saying that one should always be prepared for the fight. In the end, I am not telling you anything.
That is the problem, the two sides can't find a middle ground.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Oh wow, i am trying to imagine you explaining twin, now that would be a goddam sight.
And here i stop arguing because the only thing you do now is insulting everyone who does not agree with you.

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Kinda like how you insulting yeaninah just because english is not their native language? Makes you so much better right?

why do you only use the 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for the sake of others, why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

then why cant you either ???? why us huh ?? ..you guy want many speed run always ,when if you make PF you already have a party and take no time to get in DF in full already made party right ???so when leave df after finish you go in it as soon as you leave

so i dont see the point to kick us out of DF and block us of it???

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It does go both ways. Just as I can, or you can, or ANYONE ELSE CAN, use the DF, the PF to find like minded individuals to game to their play style. You don't seem to want to use PF, that is why I made my initial point to begin with. Why are you trying to argue with me about everything? I am not trying to argue, but make points for you to see that you can go about playing the game exactly how you want to and there doesn't need to be arguing about it. But you seem to want to argue with everyone for some reason. You have no valid argument because you refusing to use the avenues available to you, and then expecting complete strangers to cater to YOUR needs 100% of the time, when you do not use the tools in place to meet like minded people, is a large part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by shape

why do you only use 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for to help others. why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

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I don't think hardcore and elitist are synonymous.

I have a laugh at people that participate in such jackassery. I never look up fights. If someone has a problem with it, they can go shove their problem up their ass. I'm not a visual learner. I'm more hands-on.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Oh wow, i am trying to imagine you explaining twin, now that would be a goddam sight.
And here i stop arguing because the only thing you do now is insulting everyone who does not agree with you.

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first thing ... im french ,.second thing im dislexia. I do alot of error mistake, i type the way what i think sound. But some people dont know what that is and most people use to make fun at those people ... but i don't care .. But i try to write correctly cos i'm on english forum since i'm french canadian in NA ..not Europe..

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Originally Posted by Bizniztyme

Kinda like how you insulting yeaninah just because english is not their native language? Makes you so much better right?

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I heard a LOT of people try to talk english but i NEVER EVER heard someone comparing youtube to mother and try to make an argument out of it.
That is the only thing i was talking about. I know my english is bad (not native either). Sorry if i came over like that.
Anyway, i am leaving this thread now. HF arguing people.

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Originally Posted by shape

why do you only use the 1st post Suniva made she clearly states in another that people can make their own groups with like minded people.

The people who clear the content 1st and make guides do so for to help others. why wouldn't you take freely offered help.

If the new players reason is because they want to replicate what the first groups of people did, then hats off to them.( although this also means there hardcore minded which is what they claim to hate)

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Thank you Shape. Someone is out there reading my posts as intended. I just got that warm and fuzzeh feeling inside.

I think the term hardcore fits this thread more then elitist.

The opening post is both down to hardcore and elitism ( i cant say how much of the latter i was not there)

but to make a comparison a hardcore player would expect people to have made an effort to know the fight.

An elitist player would instantly kick you, demand stupidly high Ilvl the list goes on.