High-level crafters beware: You get suspended if you sell to players who bought gil

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Originally Posted by Shigaru

My gear is reasonable for a soley battle oriented person with small connections. I have 2 pieces of HQ vanya. Farmed every single mat for them. The idea of melding a piece of 35k gil materia at a 19% success rate is absolutely terrifying to me. I'm a legitimate player. The guy I linked didnt farm the mats obviously. He finished his first AK less than a week ago when he already had the gear. You seriously think this guy got hooked up because of a couple of friends? Thats 9 mats at 125 philo tomes per piece of gear, thats including nothing out. Keep defending this, thats totally what this game needs.

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Btw I made more than 10 millions cause i was the only lvl 46+ miner on my server for a few days selling DS ore at 13k, gold sand at 9k, pet at 15k, gold at 9k and I'm not even talking about HQ mats. I sold most of my ores 3 at a time cause everyone wanted them for the relics or crafting quests which gave me 36k after market taxes (for DS). I was making around 500k per day only with DS ores.

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Originally Posted by Shigaru

Seriously, look at him. Lvl 50, 15 sub, 0 crafts or gatherers even touched, yet affords a full set of pentamelded ilvl 70 hq gear? I'm not saying that everyone deserved this, but if you sold a ferrari to some hobo off the street who payed in bags of cash, you'd be investigated, too.

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Someone in his FC has crafted for him ?
He sold crafting component made from tomestone ?
He played the market by buying low and selling high ?
His FC sold Titan run ?

There is so many ways without being a crafter.

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Originally Posted by Shigaru

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I hear you and this is why I'll step out of the sarcastic cloud to speak in plain and simple words.
The intent may be good, but the methodology you suggest is:

• Such a burden on the player's part, when it should be the developer's job to make sure the in-game environment is secure, that I just can't condone it in principle.
• So idealistic, to think that players at large in a modern MMORPG would actually take that time to research a potential buyer and all his FC mates, LS mates (which he doesn't know anyway since the info is private), friends (same remark)… It's actually more than idealistic, it's unrealisable by any stretch of the imagination. You do realise this game, as all others, is full of people who can't stand to wipe more than 3 times on a boss, who can't be bothered to put more than 5 minutes of effort into pretty much anything?

You are basically suggesting that crafters who want to sell anything take as much, if not even more precautions than real-life companies do with real money —ever notice a salesman doesn't do a background check on you before you go through the cash register? :rolleyes: And even if your money was illegally obtained, it's not the seller's responsibility anyway, nor is that person liable in any way for wanting or accepting to sell you a fancy, pricey object, however you "look". You may have friends, you may like hawaiian shirts. Rich people don't all wear suits, you know. And salesmen aren't responsible for other people's crimes. And I, for one, think it's better this way. To each his responsibility, salesmen aren't policemen or judge, nor should they be.

You can't judge a book by its cover. It's not "better", it's actually worse: how would someone be able to prove to you that he's legit despite the looks? Is that the kind of self-policed, closed-minded game you wish for us, thinking of all the consequences of what you imply?

You might also want to consider how a publisher asking his players to behave as you suggest would fare commercially, what people would say about it. "Horrible customer service" doesn't even begin to cover it, "dropping the ball" would be an understatement, unless that hole is like 6,400km deep.

You mean well, I suppose, but you live in a fantasy dream. Your solution can't and won't happen, and I'm glad for all the reasons I mentioned. Don't confuse a game's lore with a game's design and rules; the former is a dream, a fiction, whereas the latter is much complicated and serious job. It's just not that simple... not the real world, nor even in a MMORPG.

Cordially. :)

I laugh at whoever thinks I should do a background check on someone I am about to sell to.
It is taking a game a bit too seriously.

Wait how can you do a back ground check on someone if you're going though the Auction House/Selling Board/whatever it's called?

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Originally Posted by Shigaru

I'm not saying that everyone deserved this, but if you sold a ferrari to some hobo off the street who payed in bags of cash, you'd be investigated, too.

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What laws would you have broken, though?

Similarly, I'm looking at the part of the ToS relevant to this situation and I don't see how it requires crafters to do any research whatsoever on who they are selling to. If SE is going to depriving players of the game time they've paid for, they should be damn sure that rules have been broken.

Another thing, when these people are found to be innocent, are they going to get back the 3 days or whatever that they've lost? Will it be credited onto their account, or will they get a partial refund? Frankly, I'd want the entire month free for the inconvenience. I haven't actually been affected by this, but if I'm going to keep paying the subscription I want to know that I'm going to be treated fairly by SE, and I'm certainly not getting that feeling here.

Actually, maybe I should just stop reading these forums, and the FFXIV reddit. Seems like every time I come on here I read something new that makes me want to play the game less...

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Originally Posted by Andrik

What laws would you have broken, though?

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Well, if you want to talk about real life law, possession of stolen goods is a crime. So, let's say that hobo off the street robbed a bank to get that cash, then gave it to you for the Ferrari. You are now subject to criminal investigation while the police determine whether or not you knew the cash was stolen.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

Well, if you want to talk about real life law, possession of stolen goods is a crime. So, let's say that hobo off the street robbed a bank to get that cash, then gave it to you for the Ferrari. You are now subject to criminal investigation while the police determine whether or not you knew the cash was stolen.

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I really don't know why I even thought about pursuing that metaphor, comparing games to real life is never a good idea.

Nonetheless, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that SE makes sure people have violated the ToS before they ban them.

It is partially SE's fault (and by partially, I mean mostly to completely) for jacking up the crafting mats like they did, forcing people to sell things at unnecessarily high prices, giving people the urge/temptation to buy gil in order to afford the prices people have to sell these things at. All that gear costs probably 3 times or more on a legacy server. over 2mil for a HQ vanya robe of anything.

I'm glad I don't bother trying to farm and sell that stuff, even tho I know there are many people on my server that will buy a rosegold ingot for around 1mil :/. Could bank from doing it, but seeing this, just going to vanquish the thought. Gilbuyers buy my stuff and i'll get banned....

You know, it is probably mainly the gill buyers/sellers or people who sell things to gill buyers/sellers that are liking the changes to those recipes. They are profiting greatly from them.

SE: continue your blanket ban if you like, but fix the shit you broke that caused this to occur in the first place please.