OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

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Originally Posted by BrodyAlgana

lol what EVERYONE is missing is this: Scholar is not SUPPOSED to be as powerful as White Mage - not with direct healing anyway. White mage is... well white mage! Haven't you ever played a Final Fantasy game before? White Mages were healing GODS! I can't believe im saying this, but, Working as intended!

CURE V - swoon!

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Post the link from an official source plz.

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Originally Posted by BrodyAlgana

I don't want more than one Scholar. White mage and scholar were intended to work best together. YES you CAN do stuff more easily with two white mage than with two scholars, because Conjuror's only real job is healing - so of course it is the more powerful healer. Arcanist has a choice of two jobs - healer or dps, so they are not as strong healer - Conjuror has only one choice in advanced jobs - white mage. While not a Square employee, I would guess that is how they intended it to be. I do agree with some other forum posts that they should make the pet UI better.

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Having two job choices is not an excuse. At some point they will add more jobs and more than likely each class will have 2+ options. When CNJ has 2 options (maybe red mage) will they gimp WHM to make up for it lol? I like the SCH the way they are but it would be nice to be able to run 2 in a group. WHM and SCH are the perfect compliment as you say but you can run 2 WHM and not 2 SCH. That is a problem.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

LOL 550 and 100 Regen. No.

Resummoning can be instant with quickcast. If you want the burst, pay the price. Will it make having to 2 SCH worthwhile? It will overcome the burst argument and make stacking them reasonable. They could both detonate and get a raid right back up in health.

Problem solved. You have a small issue, you aren't going to be able to milk it and get undue buffs. It needs to be addressed out of fairness... no more, no less.

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Are you butthurt or something, why so mad? I am not asking for anything, if you go back to any of my posts I think SCH is fine. I am simply saying that exploding the fairy is not going to fix the fact that you only need 1 SCH in any given fight. WHM has a 550 AoE heal. Yet you laugh. Are you worried that they are going to buff SCH a little bit and u gonna lose your spot lol. Why do you care if SCH were to get a buff that would make it possible to have 2 in a raid? Lol fairness, are you 5 years old? I am completely fine with SCH being a tank healer, that is what I expected when I saw how the class was unraveling as I played. Some poeple would like for the class to compete with WHM for a raid heal spot too. I can't say they are wrong or right as SE has never really said anything other than WHM will be more versatile.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

All I am saying is that exploding the fairy for 400 potency heal is not gonna make having 2 SCH in your group worth while. Maybe a 550 potency heal and 100 potency hot for blowing up the fairy would work, as re summoning the fairy is a 6 sec deal so the overpower would be a one shot oh shit deal. And no I do not think it would screw up mechanics. Having the shield stack on Succor only would make our AoE heal on par with a WMG's.

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LOL 550 and 100 Regen. No.

Resummoning can be instant with quickcast. If you want the burst, pay the price. Will it make having to 2 SCH worthwhile? It will overcome the burst argument and make stacking them reasonable. They could both detonate and get a raid right back up in health.

Problem solved. You have a small issue, you aren't going to be able to milk it and get undue buffs. It needs to be addressed out of fairness... no more, no less. (Maybe 10 seconds of spell haste would also be appropriate... that is more than fair)

WHM has better AoE heal. Scholar has better single target heal.
WHM has regen. Scholar has dmg mitigation and healing buff.
Scholar has Lustrate which will save the day. If it is a really dire situation. I will Succor. Active Dawn and Rouse. Swiftcast another Succor.
If everyone is hurt and Dawn is on CD. You can Aldo the tank. Physick someone, pet will help with Embrace. If tank get spike then Lustrate.

AoE Heal will only make the class easier to play which in my opinion not needed. Scholar has a very secured place on raid. I haven't seen a lot of Coil Group without a Scholar. Same can be said about WHM and that just mean there is class diversity. I don't know why you want AoE heal anyway. In raid, let's WHM do the dirty work. In 4 man, there is rarely if any situation Scholar cannot handle the dmg.

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Player skill > Job

Just throwing this out there, as a tank I've never been dropped by a SCH where a WHM wouldn't have dropped me as well. The significance of this observation is that the WHM and SCH mentioned are the same person, who has no trouble as SCH that he doesn't as WHM.

If there is a practical difference between the two classes when all is said and done, I have yet to see it.

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Originally Posted by Colyo

If there is a practical difference between the two classes when all is said and done, I have yet to see it.

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AOE healing efficiency. SCHs are about less than half of WHMs in that regard in practice, while both jobs can deal with any other situation with similar satisfactory results.

Not saying the should be equal, but a 100%+ difference is a bit much when there's no real difference between them effectively dealing with anything otherwise.

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Originally Posted by fanservice

AOE healing efficiency. SCHs are about less than half of WHMs in that regard in practice, while both jobs can deal with any other situation with similar satisfactory results.

Not saying the should be equal, but a 100%+ difference is a bit much when there's no real difference between them effectively dealing with anything otherwise.

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Not completely true. One could argue a substantial difference in tank healing that favors SCH. You use "effectively" very loosely here. Either class can "effectively" deal with either type of healing. Each one is optimal for each type of healing.

Right now succor feels underpowered but i can see why they dont want it to be just like a medica from a whm. Why not just make it instant cast that way its not too powerful but it is spammable. SCH dont need to be WHM clones, make us different and keep it that way.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Not completely true. One could argue a substantial difference in tank healing that favors SCH. You use "effectively" very loosely here. Either class can "effectively" deal with either type of healing. Each one is optimal for each type of healing.

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You're going to have a hard time convincing people the differences in tank healing does in fact justify having less than half of a WHM's AOE healing strength, though. Unless we're getting fights where the most optimal tanks get bursted so fast, and often that lustrate is the only way to keep them alive.

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Originally Posted by chumsy

Right now succor feels underpowered but i can see why they dont want it to be just like a medica from a whm. SCH dont need to be WHM clones, make us different and keep it that way.

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There could be other, more creative ways to bridge the gap.

Just that passing along medica would be the lazy game developer's/programmer's solution. Humans like convenience, and the easy way out naturally. That and I've taken programming classes... it can be really annoying to backtrack through code to say the least.