Dungeon progress shouldn't be allowed while party members are watching cutscenes

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Originally Posted by Xylas

I do pre-mades when I speed run. You're missing the point entirely. I was merely saying that it's not difficult to go to your inn room to watch a scene you missed to keep others from waiting. Impatience is not laziness. What you are referring to, is laziness.

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Being in the inn is not the same as actually being in the dungeon for the first time and actually enjoying the cut-scenes and dungeon as a whole. It's how the game was made to play. I'll watch the cut-scenes in the inn AFTER my first run. Use your FC or friendslist if you want to speedrun stop being lazy.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Man_U

How is it not?

I'm playing the game, on a dungeon, and I reach this cutscene that will give meaning to all the grinding I've done so far as well as introduce the final boss and advance the plot, and I decide to skip it. Then I go to an Inn and watch it in a room. "Oh, look, so the guy I just killed was important. And he said this super important thing that was vital to the fight. Well, that doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the game at all. No sir."

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Renting a movie to sit down and watch it with your friends isn't the same as running a dungeon in a video game, online, with strangers. That's how it's not the same.

It's merely an issue of communication and being considerate. Had either you asked to either skip, or not skip, there probably wouldn't be a problem. Just because he's too much of an ass to wait for you doesn't mean everyone should suffer through every single cut scene every time.

I have waited for people. I have also skipped ones that I desperately wanted to see, just because people asked me to. I watched it later. It wasn't my ideal way to experience it, but I tend to be considerate towards the majority of the group. I'm not saying it's not a douche move to move ahead when someone's watching. I'm saying it's a stupid expectation for them to remove this from the game because some people are inconvenienced by it.


That's like saying you shouldn't be able to leave a duty, because then others have to wait for a replacement.

You already can't even start the dungeon until everyone has either watched or skipped the opening cut scene, and honestly if you start a boss battle when everyone isn't ready, you're an idiot. So really, this entire thread is just about people complaining about other people being ***holes. Which is pointless.

I'm finished. I've proven my point with enough information to show that this is all irrelevant anyway.

Enjoy the game guys. Be considerate towards each other and these kinds of things won't matter.

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Originally Posted by luciferbelmont

Being in the inn is not the same as actually being in the dungeon for the first time and actually enjoying the cut-scenes and dungeon as a whole. It's how the game was made to play. I'll watch the cut-scenes in the inn AFTER my first run. Use your FC or friendslist if you want to speedrun stop being lazy.

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To be fair that goes both ways if you want to watch the CS then take the time to find those who haven't done it yet and want to watch the CS, why rely on the Duty Finder to "hopefully" find 7 others that haven't progressed through it yet.

It's not fair on both sides, first timers can't complain to those that just want seals, because if they don't want to spend that extra 20-30mins waiting it's in their right to leave if they want just as it's in the right of a first timer to leave if they don't want to speedrun through it.

In my case, the first time I did the run I thought of the fairness and time associated with people who were doing it for seals and had no problem watching the CS at the inn, if I had planned to watch the CS in the dungeon I would of taken the time to find 7 others that wanted to go through the same experience rather than rely on Duty Finder to do that for me.

I honestly find it more unfair to make other people wait because one wants to watch all the CS cause unlike other dungeons, these CS do eat up a lot of time, in the past they aren't so bad because it's one CS at the end, but at this point in the game the CS do take up quite a bit of time, and if you add it up overtime even people who complain about wanting to watch the CS will be the very same people who end up ranting when first timers want to watch said CS after they've progressed through the dungeon for the 10-20th time.

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Originally Posted by Xylas

No one wants to be forced to watch the same 10-30 second cut scene fifty times because other people can't bare to stand going to their inn room and watching the scene of a camera panning a tower.

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I don't very much care what speed-running people want to do: they used the DF for a random person, and if they got me on my first time in the dungeon, I'm watching the cutscenes whether or not they can handle it. If they want a group to skip all the cutscenes, they can pre-form their own groups rather than force their attitude onto random people they end up being paired with in the finder tool.

If they pull the boss, welp, I won't be healing them I suppose as I'd be locked out.

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Although I wouldn't like "Forced to watch" cutscenes, they should retain a skip option, but I am in support of halting the dungeon's timer and progress until everyone's either done watching or skipped it. I'll likely end up being someone hoping for fast groups who've done the dungeon before if I end up grinding it, but I wouldn't force first timers to skip the story portions. Asking's cool, so long as it's not phrased as "Skip or I leave" and is closer to "Would everyone mind skipping the cutscenes?" and if someone doesn't wish to, to not blow up at them or something. (I imagine both examples exist in the DF world of AK/other level 50 dungeons people farm/grind). (After all it is a game, and the game does have a story, so it's not a crime if someone wants to experience the story as it unfolds in the game they purchased).

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Originally Posted by luciferbelmont

Being in the inn is not the same as actually being in the dungeon for the first time and actually enjoying the cut-scenes and dungeon as a whole. It's how the game was made to play. I'll watch the cut-scenes in the inn AFTER my first run. Use your FC or friendslist if you want to speedrun stop being lazy.

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Read before you quote and respond so you don't look silly.

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Originally Posted by Alaray

I don't very much care what speed-running people want to do: they used the DF for a random person, and if they got me on my first time in the dungeon, I'm watching the cutscenes whether or not they can handle it. If they want a group to skip all the cutscenes, they can pre-form their own groups rather than force their attitude onto random people they end up being paired with in the finder tool.

If they pull the boss, welp, I won't be healing them I suppose as I'd be locked out.

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You're entirely right, and I support your decision to NOT heal them even if you weren't locked out. No one should be pulling before everyone's ready.

SE needs to learn a lesson here and either make them unskippable or work on making them significantly shorter next time.

Key word here is first timers. You guys already beat the game LET THEM enjoy the LAST 2 dungeons. I encourage anyone who despises speedrunning during your first run of a dungeon to just leave. That's if you can wait the 15 minutes out. Go ahead if you want to continue but your first experience through these dungeons won't mean a thing. You'll probably care less about the ending.

This issue makes me sick, and I am not even to these dungeons yet!

When I get there, I am going to watch the cutscenes (not in an inn), and most likely others will not. We could both try to find groups that will cater to our need, but it won't always happen. And I get why they don't want to watch cutscenes a million times.

I won't want them to rush ahead, although they probably will. And I will get angry. Is it our faults? No, SE designed it without realizing this will happen. BUT that doesn't solve the problem. Just places blame. Bottom line: WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. I can't control what you do, and you can't control what I do. Don't want it that way, TOO BAD until SE fixes it.

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Originally Posted by luciferbelmont

Key word here is first timers. You guys already beat the game LET THEM enjoy the LAST 2 dungeons

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I actually do agree with you on this.