[dev1022] The Battle Regimen HATE thread and a ply for auto-attack

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Originally Posted by Reika

You can input some random ass BR's and still get debuffs. The point is, 8 person BR is more damage then 8 single attacks without it.

Hell. basic attack + WS (Different) gets you defense debuff. Basic attack + basic attack (Same) gets you attack debuff. It is not complicated folks lol.

Oh, you can put basic attacks in BR!

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exactly. People are either just too ignorant or too stubborn to learn.

Oh and @ those who think BR is bad, Great Buffalo downed in 9 mins with efficient BRs, 7 people and an unoptimized party setup.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

exactly. People are either just too ignorant or too stubborn to learn.

Oh and @ those who think BR is bad, Great Buffalo downed in 9 mins with efficient BRs, 7 people and an unoptimized party setup.

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First I want to say I really love the game. I played 11 for many years also. It's hard to adjust to the game if you are a 11 fan looking for ffxi (2). I have really embraced the game and appreciate that it is different than 11. On this point I can say that I really do miss magic bursts and skillchains like in 11. I don't care for the Battle Regimen methodl. So my vote would have to be to bring back 11 style weaponskills and magic bursts.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

First I want to say I really love the game. I played 11 for many years also. It's hard to adjust to the game if you are a 11 fan looking for ffxi (2). I have really embraced the game and appreciate that it is different than 11. On this point I can say that I really do miss magic bursts and skillchains like in 11. I don't care for the Battle Regimen methodl. So my vote would have to be to bring back 11 style weaponskills and magic bursts.

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I was a big fan of 11's system too, but I personally prefer BRs because, from what I've seen, you can get more damage out of it if your party stacks correctly and efficiently.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Good and yes, an opinion can be wrong. If the sky is blue and you say it's red...you're wrong, even though that is your opinion. If a TV's volume is at Max, it is too loud, but if you say that it is too quite, you are wrong, even though that is your opinion. If you are drunk and you say that you are not, you are wrong, even though that is your opinion. See the trend?

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Opinions are how you feel about something, not what something is or not. How YOU feel about something cannot be wrong or right. Though, someone can disagree with that opinion. So many things in this world are subjective and only we give meaning to anything. Do not tell people their opinions are wrong, because they are not. You just do not agree with them.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Opinions are how you feel about something, not what something is or not. How YOU feel about something cannot be wrong or right. Though, someone can disagree with that opinion. So many things in this world are subjective and only we give meaning to anything. Do not tell people their opinions are wrong, because they are not. You just do not agree with them.

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I take it that you have never studied any type of social or neurology science before. Yes, opinions can be wrong. You may feel that something is true, when it is actually false. This, again, is an incorrect opinion. Let's say..."In my opinion, salads are more unhealthy than any other food because of pesticides." Am I wrong? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

BRs do lower DPS. Then make it up with extra damage. But does it lower DPS by freezing everyone in a limbo? Yes it does.
Think about it this way:
Lets say 5 players are doing a BR. The first one starts it, then four more stack up. From the first one triggering it, to the fifth one, each player is wasting stamina they could be using to attack.

On the other hand, if there was no queue menu and it was done like skillchains were done, people would still be able to whack the enemy in the meantime. Thats 4 players actively attacking.

You might be great at coordinating with your friends and unleashing BRs, but you can't deny there's a limbo. And that you could be doing something else in the meantime. Like casting a cure or triggering a provoke, or even increasing the DPS with a normal attack.

Not to mention that putting everything in an automatic menu takes away the fun/challenge entirely from the battle. You plan how it goes once. That's about it for BRs.

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Awwww.... As this thread is a direct reply to my "Battle Regimen LOVE Thread," I feel obliged to respond
I obviously wholeheartedly disagree with you (as does the community, it seems) but discussing it here seems futile, as 7 pages of this 9 page thread are full of derailment regarding the nature of opinions and DPS

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I take it that you have never studied any type of social or neurology science before. Yes, opinions can be wrong. You may feel that something is true, when it is actually false. This, again, is an incorrect opinion. Let's say..."In my opinion, salads are more unhealthy than any other food because of pesticides." Am I wrong? Yes.

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I'm quite tired of your incessant need to seem intellectual while putting others down. You're not. What you are trying to argue with these people is a different point than what they are making and you simply look like an ass because of it. Your sense of self-entitlement of "being right" on an internet forum over something so asinine is pompous and ridiculous. You're an idiot. Shut up.

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Originally Posted by Belial

I'm quite tired of your incessant need to seem intellectual while putting others down. You're not. What you are trying to argue with these people is a different point than what they are making and you simply look like an ass because of it. Your sense of self-entitlement of "being right" on an internet forum over something so asinine is pompous and ridiculous. You're an idiot. Shut up.

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What would your post be doing, exactly?

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Originally Posted by Gracious

First I want to say I really love the game. I played 11 for many years also. It's hard to adjust to the game if you are a 11 fan looking for ffxi (2). I have really embraced the game and appreciate that it is different than 11. On this point I can say that I really do miss magic bursts and skillchains like in 11. I don't care for the Battle Regimen methodl. So my vote would have to be to bring back 11 style weaponskills and magic bursts.

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See, I'm an (ex) XI player as well, been playing on and off since NA launch. At first I was in the same mindset of "Oh, awesome! A shiny FFXI!" when I heard about XIV. After reading up on it post-announcement and finally getting into CB1, I realized even more that this wasn't the case; it was an entirely new game with entirely new rules. Regardless, I adapted and caught on pretty quickly.
As much as I loved skillchains, I'm glad they chose an alternative system in XIV. Why, you ask? This is XIV, not XI-2.
Skillchains in XI's fashion don't work in this game for the very fact that TP is generated within a matter of hits on any class, and weaponskills are part of the primary attack rotation rather than being something you can only use after you make a sandwich while leaving your character in auto attack mode.
Sure, some things from XI would be a welcome addition (i.e.: party seek flag/search), but Skillchains and auto attack are highly unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

One last point...

A well timed BR wastes absolutely no time at all. Not even a fraction of a second.
Take this example:
2 exact characters... same stats, same gear, same class, level and rank....

Character X spams light slash until his stamina reaches zero... and keeps spamming so as soon as he has enough stamina to do another light slash, he does

Character Y spams light slash until he is out of stamina, but then waits the 10 seconds for his stamina to refill completely. The instant his stamina is full, he resumes spamming of light slash

Freeze frame the second Character Y has emptied his stamina for the second time. You will notice the 2 characters have done the exact same number of light slashes....

A good BR works the same way.... yes you can't attack for 3 seconds... but no stamina is wasted... once you get done, you can launch several attacks in succession and build TP again relatively fast because your stamina gauge will be higher
No actual stamina is lost.. I repeat NO ACTUAL STAMINA IS LOST as long as your BR doesn't take a long time
I was able to tank all pre-patch NM's just fine while participating in BR, as were the healers in our party

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Originally Posted by Belial

I'm quite tired of your incessant need to seem intellectual while putting others down. You're not. What you are trying to argue with these people is a different point than what they are making and you simply look like an ass because of it. Your sense of self-entitlement of "being right" on an internet forum over something so asinine is pompous and ridiculous. You're an idiot. Shut up.

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Hypocrisy seems to run rampant on these forums...