TESO the biggest rival for ARR?

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Bet TESO does SSM marriage too, hehe. Need some serious dats to make anyone attractive enough though ><

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lol. I have been looking at other games to play while waiting for ARR but they almost all put me off since it seems very hard to have really attractive characters. I did look at playing Skyrim but after looking at a few gameplay videos I decided against it for this very reason. I think FFXIV have ruined other games for me.

Just curious, since I haven't been following TESO news, like at all, did they say anything new about hosing in that MMO? Cause, in one of the first interviews about it they were all like "There'll be no housing cause it's difficult to implement it in a MMO" which made me go WTF seriously?!

Personally, I think that with ARR we're getting a game from a group of people that NOW know the dos-and-donts of making an mmo. TESO group will be making their first mmo in a relatively flooded market.... while I am a big Elder's Scrolls fan, going to play wait-and-see with TESO. I really don't want to play a mmo that goes F2P in 6 months.
And sorry to the F2P fans, but I'm a firm believer that F2P = Riffraff

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

Just curious, since I haven't been following TESO news, like at all, did they say anything new about hosing in that MMO? Cause, in one of the first interviews about it they were all like "There'll be no housing cause it's difficult to implement it in a MMO" which made me go WTF seriously?!

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Why? It actually isn't an easy system to implement in a meaningful manner, which is why people overly excited for it in ARR will ultimately be disappointed. This is why for example Yoshi used DQX's as an example, because it's very simplistic.

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Originally Posted by Lady

Personally, I think that with ARR we're getting a game from a group of people that NOW know the dos-and-donts of making an mmo. TESO group will be making their first mmo in a relatively flooded market....

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First or 30th MMO doesn't matter. SE's first MMO was a critical and financial success.

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I really don't want to play a mmo that goes F2P in 6 months.

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Pray that ARR lasts longer than that then, because that's been the fate of most new MMORPGs lately if not completely shutdown.

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Originally Posted by Lady

Personally, I think that with ARR we're getting a game from a group of people that NOW know the dos-and-donts of making an mmo. TESO group will be making their first mmo in a relatively flooded market.... while I am a big Elder's Scrolls fan, going to play wait-and-see with TESO. I really don't want to play a mmo that goes F2P in 6 months.
And sorry to the F2P fans, but I'm a firm believer that F2P = Riffraff

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I think even the ARR group is still far away from knowing the dos-and-donts. Nobody know what gonna happen to ARR when its released like nobody knows what gonna happen to TESO. There is just one big difference and it is that it will be way harder to get ppl to play ARR then TESO cause of the Reputation. SE will never be able to 100% get rid off the damage 1.0 release has done and it will take time to prove that ARR is another game and is worth playing.

Personally i think that TESO will take most of the players that arent fans of FF or Elder Scrolls in EU/NA and ARR those in Asia.

We gotta wait how both games are (nobody has even played a beta of TESO or ARR) so all those statements about the gameplay are just bullshit from ppl that try to be smart but actually have no idea about what they are talking.

And don't forget FFXIV had to go f2p allready once to avoid shutdown and only could lure ppl to pay with legacy campaign and relounch of the game. This can happen a 2nd time too cause you never know what gonna happen in 6-12 months.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

We gotta wait how both games are (nobody has even played a beta of TESO or ARR) so all those statements about the gameplay are just bullshit from ppl that try to be smart but actually have no idea about what they are talking.

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Or people are using common sense because "games that meet global standard" all play the same.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

I think even the ARR group is still far away from knowing the dos-and-donts. Nobody know what gonna happen to ARR when its released like nobody knows what gonna happen to TESO. There is just one big difference and it is that it will be way harder to get ppl to play ARR then TESO cause of the Reputation. SE will never be able to 100% get rid off the damage 1.0 release has done and it will take time to prove that ARR is another game and is worth playing.

Personally i think that TESO will take most of the players that arent fans of FF or Elder Scrolls in EU/NA and ARR those in Asia.

We gotta wait how both games are (nobody has even played a beta of TESO or ARR) so all those statements about the gameplay are just bullshit from ppl that try to be smart but actually have no idea about what they are talking.

And don't forget FFXIV had to go f2p allready once to avoid shutdown and only could lure ppl to pay with legacy campaign and relounch of the game. This can happen a 2nd time too cause you never know what gonna happen in 6-12 months.

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i played 1.0 beta, hated it.
i started playing again last year, for umbral era quests. it was ok.
im looking forward to ARR.
unless you dont know about ARR, or got other games you're hyped about, there's no reason why majority of people interested in FF in general, wouldn't wanna check it out. It's completely re-made game, there's no reason to bitch about 1.0 now, or how it failed. Servers are forever shut down; that in itself should make people happy, and check ARR out.
So don't be so skeptical.
i know they fixed all the issues i had with 1.0 already. And i know everything else they do, can only make things better, so i aint worried. It might not be the hit people might have wanted/expected from FFXIV before Beta, but i think it will do well.

My opinion of TESO is without Dragons like Skyrim, I'm not interested! Love the elder scrolls series. But it got HUGELY popular because of Skyrim (And Dragons). :D Can you tell I love dragons? hehe

Anyway, I don't think so. I mean FFXIV had Bahamut from the get go. TESO as far as I know won't have Dragon's at all. Heck it's not even supposed to be in the Skyrim Universe. It's completely separate. There will be references to it and it's Lore, but the world will be completely separate and new in the Elder Scrolls series. For that reason I'm not quite as interested in TESO without the dragons. I'm here for XIV!

I actually kind of hope TESO is more popular, and ARR is just a really nice game that has a niche market like FFXI did. In fact, I hope ARR pulls customers away from FFXI. The community isn't perfect, but I'd prefer it infinitely more over the mainstream MMO crowd.

Besides, FFXI did great without being the most played MMO.

I still think TESo will disappoint. It might be a great game on it's own. But the bethesda style games just doesn't translate well to the persistant MMO space. Your personal choices will only matter in your personal instance. Whats the point of playing it online, with thousands of other people if your choices have no impact on the world you're playing in? To me if defeats the purpose of playing an elder scroll game.

It's like the "game altering" choices that were hyped in SWtor. no matter what you do, the ultimate outcome is the same
It's the same with GW2 dynamic events. They are on respawn timers, and the outcome it ultimately the same.

This goes against the very essence of what bethesda created with the previous elder scrolls.

This is why i think TESo will be a disappointment.

The only way I can see TESo securing fans of the previous incarnations of the series is if they build a pure sandbox MMO. But they are making it a theme park

I hope the elder scrolls is a success on its own, I do. I just don't think fans of morrowwind, oblivion and skyrim will not find the same appeal after the initial buzz, after the newness wears off.

I have my fingers crossed for a Fall out MMO, thats a sandbox. Now that is a game that would be hard to put down.