Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

The people out here demonizing premades seem to not understand that if there were no premades, there would be no runs at all. And even if people only organized in-instance, their entitled attitude towards other people's time would mean they wouldn't get a party, or never clear. You can switch instances. Can't find enough people in another one? Yeah, I figured. Maybe you should consider why that is. :)

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I see that as a positive. It would force SE to fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by itachi-otsutsuki

It is impossible to rally 48 people in a 72 casual player instance to do a savage raid. Hence there should just be a PF alliance queue in option like with DRS and Chaotic.
I am not saying the discords are entirely to blame for creating this environment , although many of them seem to revel in it. That's just a toxic player-ego issue.
But it has effectively lead to a monopolization because of the impracticality of organizing anything inside the game itself. It is just completely failed content.

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We 100% agree this is only possible to do via discord organisation in a practical sense

That doesn’t mean it’s the discords fault it’s like this nor are they the problem or some kind of boogeyman, they are doing the best with what they have because of squares awful design decisions. I think it’s rather pointless demonising the discords over this

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Like surely the fights are not "that" tight that a single or two goofballs of 48 can ruin *everything* that this was a necessity? What if they never were selected for those mechanics in the first place and they could just handle things based on intuition?

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To belatedly answer your question: the second fight in particular is that tight.

https://i.ibb.co/nq499TXr/nya.png

If anyone is too late on fireballs, they may, while getting there late, be the "closest" of their role, getting the cone. There is a high chance that they will cleave the entire other side of the area, immediately causing a wipe. DPS have also stood on healer side before, equally causing a crazy amount of casualties. And you know what? I agree that tankbustering them on purpose sucks, but I also can understand why you'd feel the urge lol.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Back in my day when dinosaurs still roamed the earth we used Teamspeak and Ventrilo to do content, and content in old WoW and FF11 was 100 times rougher and clunkier than whatever Forked Towers throws at you now.

I don't know if I could call out SE on this one given how popular and liked the Baldesion Arsenal is, and how doing that on discords was okay for almost 10 years now, but suddenly out of nowhere Forked Tower is an outlier?

They are called antisocial because they refuse to interact with people to organize for content, and they are called leeches because that's what snipers on FT do, they wanna get carried through the content.

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See this is the problem. You actually BELIEVE this archaic design is 'acceptable' cause you're one of them discord elitists and if people aren't part of your clique they're 'anti social dumb casuals'.

People organizing in game like they're suppose to is 'antisocial' to you.

I like how you're calling it a clique when the biggest one on EU has like 10k members.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

I like how you're calling it a clique when the biggest one on EU has like 10k members.

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I think you're being deliberately obtuse. What word to describe a small group of people controlling access to game content would be satisfactory to you then?

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Originally Posted by Volgia

I don't know if I could call out SE on this one given how popular and liked the Baldesion Arsenal is, and how doing that on discords was okay for almost 10 years now, but suddenly out of nowhere Forked Tower is an outlier?

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The answer, in my opinion, is very straightforward.

The first time was a mistake.
The second time was intentional.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

- Reflecting on the Baldesion Arsenal (Nakagawa)
Having said that, due to the abovementioned issues and other things we’ve learned through your feedback, we’ve caused our players a great deal of stress, and this is something we deeply regret. We’ve been made to realize there are many things we can change and improve upon. We’re determined to correct all the major issues and take the experience with us when we develop future content.

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In the future, should more issues like this arise, I promise to take your feedback to heart, communicate openly with you all, and quickly take the necessary measures to improve things. Thank you for your continued support.

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This is what is colloquially known as "lying".

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Originally Posted by Volgia

Back in my day when dinosaurs still roamed the earth we used Teamspeak and Ventrilo to do content, and content in old WoW and FF11 was 100 times rougher and clunkier than whatever Forked Towers throws at you now.

I don't know if I could call out SE on this one given how popular and liked the Baldesion Arsenal is, and how doing that on discords was okay for almost 10 years now, but suddenly out of nowhere Forked Tower is an outlier?

They are called antisocial because they refuse to interact with people to organize for content, and they are called leeches because that's what snipers on FT do, they wanna get carried through the content.

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Teamspeak existed back then yes but it was just that, teamspeak (we only used ingame chat tbh) and the number of players using it was quite low.
No raid plans like today, no pings with passwords or such things.

BA was “accepted” because it was old content and at the very end of the field zone but even back then it came into being because the system was bad.
The forked tower is at the very start and that after CLL, DR and Dalriada which were thought of as “SE has learned the lessons of BA” so of course it will be hated.
Also many players are new and only know BA years after it was optimized but now find themselves struggling with it despite being new content.

But as long as you also continue to throw insults at one part of the playerbase I see no reason to continue interacting here.
People can and are social outside Discord.

Do whatever you all want at this point, both sides are just hating each other now anyway.

I said what I wanted ti say here.

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Originally Posted by itachi-otsutsuki

See this is the problem. You actually BELIEVE this archaic design is 'acceptable' cause you're one of them discord elitists and if people aren't part of your clique they're 'anti social dumb casuals'.

People organizing in game like they're suppose to is 'antisocial' to you.

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I mean the "archaic" design is exactly what they were going for, and it hasn't stopped players from clearing the content they presented. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's failed content.

You can organize it in-game through text, but most people with a crumble of common sense would ask why don't we just do this through voice? Cuz it's easier to call out on voice than to have to write stuff mid-mechanics.

I'm not sure why you're so scared of discord anyways, you can outright mute yourself and follow instructions and get through FT just fine.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

I don't know if I could call out SE on this one given how popular and liked the Baldesion Arsenal is, and how doing that on discords was okay for almost 10 years now, but suddenly out of nowhere Forked Tower is an outlier?

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Most people hate the fact that they have to submit to a clique gatekeeping this content, but they do it anyway or they will never get the mount or the achievements. If they don't submit to the clique they will get griefed. Just because that's how it's been doesn't mean people are happy with it. This issue with Forked Tower is just bringing the long-running undercurrent of discontent to a head.