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i'm the oldest in my FC by a couple years to several years. i'm not that-that old but i'm amongst the youngest of the millennial generation.
i dunno what they're talking about by appealing to the younger generations since most of these people i've known since stormblood/the beginning of shb.

unless they mean like, literal 13 year olds or something.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Are their interests different to the older generations? No, because anywhere that people look for friends and mention their age, they all say the same thing regardless of age. Whether people are 20 or 35 they either do extreme/savage or gpose.

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Strange false dichotomy there.

We're getting the fall-guys collab and it's coinciding with those spiderman waterslide tiktoks...

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Are their interests different to the older generations? No, because anywhere that people look for friends and mention their age, they all say the same thing regardless of age. Whether people are 20 or 35 they either do extreme/savage or gpose.

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Yes, the MMO boomers who have nostalgia for ffxi, everquest, or ultima online have entirely different expectations from people who didn't play those. People without nostalgia for those see long pointless grinds as just that, a time waster that you aren't really enjoying for 10-30 hours just to get a shiny weapon.
If you aren't particularly enjoying a game and are just doing mindless overworld grinds what's the point? That time could be spent in another game or in other content you do enjoy. Doubly so if it's like Bozja/Eureka and making a mistake means you lengthen your grind by a significant amount for each mistake, undoing progress.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Strange false dichotomy there.

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Well yes, they can do both, but these are the most common things I see consistently and often it is one or the other that I see mentioned.

I don't know what people see in gposing, but objectively I see it coming up as as a main thing someone does in the game...

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Yes, the MMO boomers who have nostalgia for ffxi, everquest, or ultima online have entirely different expectations from people who didn't play those. People without nostalgia for those see long pointless grinds as just that, a time waster that you aren't really enjoying for 10-30 hours just to get a shiny weapon.
If you aren't particularly enjoying a game and are just doing mindless overworld grinds what's the point? That time could be spent in another game or in other content you do enjoy. Doubly so if it's like Bozja/Eureka and making a mistake means you lengthen your grind by a significant amount for each mistake, undoing progress.

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The relic grinds in this game are nothing compared to the timewaste in those games though and they departed from the RNG they had in Pyros. It is not about making them waste your time as much as that.

It's about making them not just handed out for nothing, and being something that drags you into social content in what is supposed to be a social game. Even the Heavensward relics were social because you would party up to farm fates, you would party up to light farm A1S or A9S, you would party up to go through all the trials it asks you to and in those parties you would have a whole conversation with people since the content itself was obviously mindless.

It just seems strange to me to believe that any gamer wants to magic themselves to the end or to go through it while invincible so they can't lose. If they want these things they may as well watch films on netflix and keep skipping to the final scene.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Well yes, they can do both.

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Or neither. That would be the category I fall in. I'm just a casual with a lot of playtime doing casual content.

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It's about making them not just handed out for nothing

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Oh damn, really? I didn't know you worked so hard to hit 1-1-1-1-1 on your AOE button for 30 hours on synced fates while netflix was on the other monitor. That's definitely more work and more deserving than someone who ran dungeons or hunt trains to earn the items.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Oh damn, really? I didn't know you worked so hard to hit 1-1-1-1-1 on your AOE button for 30 hours on synced fates while netflix was on the other monitor. That's definitely more work and more deserving than someone who ran dungeons or hunt trains to earn the items.

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Are you implying that people doing dungeons and hunt trains don't have netflix on another monitor? Because that seems to be a common thing especially when it comes to players arguing over pull size/wall2wall etc.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Oh damn, really? I didn't know you worked so hard to hit 1-1-1-1-1 on your AOE button for 30 hours on synced fates while netflix was on the other monitor. That's definitely more work and more deserving than someone who ran dungeons or hunt trains to earn the items.

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You're doing that content already to cap weekly tomestones. So essentially it is giving you the relic for free. If there was no other reason to do expert or hunt trains except the relic, then it would be content but there are other reasons we do them.

And as I said, it is not all about the grind but about the social interaction it brings. Which is part of the point of an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

And as I said, it is not all about the grind but about the social interaction it brings. Which is part of the point of an MMORPG.

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This point can't be stated enough. The catering to solo content and content that removes us from interacting with others is not a great trend.