Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VelKallor

That what PTSD is, why it is so hard to even treat, let alone even hope to cure. A surgeon I worked with told me once that she never forgets in her first year she had a 6 year old accident victim she couldnt save. It still haunts her, 30 years on.

---

If the scions have genuine PTSD, Endwalker failed to properly represent this and the consequences of PTSD.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VelKallor

That feeling of despair, of loss, of grief, of sorrow never leaves you alone, is never far away.

---

Then why does Endwalker portray the opposite? The scions just "forge ahead" and everything is fine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VelKallor

"Its six years ago, it doesnt matter today, it isnt relevant to who they are now" Yes. Yes it is.

---

Great, so introduce a new example of this particular brand of despair impacting their lives in a significant way other than bringing up plot threads that haven't been touched upon in years. A new example would show that the scions are not suddenly invincible and that they are still only human, thus showing that there are proper stakes and thus a reason to get invested.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by VelKallor

An invisible wound is still a wound. You dont have to see it to know it is there.

---

We are an audience for a story that is being told in the third person. If there is an invisible wound that is meant to be a part of the storytelling, there is no excuse for not revealing this to the audience. There are numerous ways to accomplish this task. If you don't establish something that is supposed to exist, "Just trust me bro, it's 100% there" is not a valid excuse for leaving it out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Wish the twins grew...

https://imgur.com/H4wYjrn.png

---

The main cast has been growing quite stale with EW, so I wouldn't mind a timeskip. Great opportunity to remove a few characters and reintroduce others, but slightly changed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kazhar

The main cast has been growing quite stale with EW, so I wouldn't mind a timeskip. Great opportunity to remove a few characters and reintroduce others, but slightly changed.

---

There's too many similar characters in the main cast. We have too many white haired Sharlyan scholar type characters. Some of them need to move onto other things, not necessarily through death, but they need to be given other things to do. For example, maybe have Ysh'tola manage to get to the First, but she can't easily come back on a whim.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

If you are writing a story about overcoming despair, you shouldn't make make your characters able to deal with events so easily that they are shrugged off within 5 minutes. If you want to write a story with characters like that, you need to consider a different theme.



Emet's 'situation' occurred in SHB. You keep trying to shift the discussion to an in-universe timeline when such a timeline is irrelevant. Besides that, none of these examples were introduced in EW. They are all loose threads from older expansions that happened years ago. Like I said, if there is only examples from outside of Endwalker, then that means that Endwalker is using old events to to act as a crutch when it should be setting up modern examples itself. There can be callbacks and references to older material, but typically you don't become uniquely immune to new examples of despair just because you experienced it a year ago in-universe.



Time travel being added to the plot was a retroactive change. While it has tainted earlier expansions (literally everything we ever did was preordained), it does not ruin them retroactively.

---

How is in universe time irrelevant, ESPECIALLY when the topic is character development? I don't expect ARR Ysh to be some whole different person by EW as that'd only a few years of that apart. You can't discount in universe time. Lahabrea is a completely different dude due to all the time he spent with Athenas lunacy. In universe that's hundreds of years or more. Time is important in universe.
Next ive yet to see any Scion shrug their issues off let alone do so in 5 mins. This isn't hyperbole, it's just false.

If you want to call people still dealing with past events a crutch go for it. Just tells me you don't understand people.
Scions aren't "immune" to new things. They deal with death n loss just like anyone else. What I really think is the issue and what may of you mean when you say "consequences" is that none of them have died.

Also retroactive? Did you somehow forget end of 1.0 we were thrusted in time to ARR? How does that taint early expansions exactly? How does EWs time travel taint it exactly? Venat made a gamble that wasn't sure to happen. Hell even set up a measure if we lost the planet. You say literally everything we did was preordained..yet also not true. At best we can say us re meeting her was. Going to Elpis sure. But ARR? HW? SB? ShB? No.

Btw the Scions quite literally are doing thier own things atm...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kazhar

The main cast has been growing quite stale with EW, so I wouldn't mind a timeskip. Great opportunity to remove a few characters and reintroduce others, but slightly changed.

---

Older Ryne and Gaia
https://imgur.com/2GvU5UL.png

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

How is in universe time irrelevant

---

It is irrelevant because if you are going to make a story about overcoming despair, you need to show proper examples of how your heroes are currently suffering from it, not examples from half a decade ago in real time, especially when the characters in question have received massive amounts of plot armor since those stories. If you don't do this, it is the equivalent of writing a story about a recovered alcoholic recovering from alcoholism, while said alcoholic is never in any danger of falling back into that habit. It's entirely redundant.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

If you want to call people still dealing with past events a crutch go for it. Just tells me you don't understand people.

---

It is indeed a narrative crutch. The amount of misinterpretation here has to be intentional.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Scions aren't "immune" to new things. They deal with death n loss just like anyone else. What I really think is the issue and what may of you mean when you say "consequences" is that none of them have died.

---

The scions suffer no long term consequences in Endwalker. This is not exclusive to character deaths. The only people who suffer long term consequences in Endwalker are new characters specifically introduced to suffer those consequences so the heroes don't have to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Also retroactive? Did you somehow forget end of 1.0 we were thrusted in time to ARR?

---

That is functionally a time skip, not time travel, thus I did not count it as an example of it, nor should it be.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Btw the Scions quite literally are doing thier own things atm...

---

They're literally doing their own things at the moment until we do literally anything and then they suddenly appear from thin air. We couldn't even have our own adventure with Estinien in 6.1 without several of them showing up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

It is irrelevant because if you are going to make a story about overcoming despair, you need to show proper examples of how your heroes are currently suffering from it, not examples from half a decade ago in real time, especially when the characters in question have received massive amounts of plot armor since those stories. If you don't do this, it is the equivalent of writing a story about a recovered alcoholic recovering from alcoholism. It's entirely redundant.



It is indeed a narrative crutch. The amount of misinterpretation here has to be intentional.



The scions suffer no long term consequences in Endwalker. This is not exclusive to character deaths. The only people who suffer long term consequences in Endwalker are new characters specifically introduced to suffer those consequences so the heroes don't have to.



That is functionally a time skip, not time travel, thus I did not count it as an example of it, nor should it be.



They're literally doing their own things at the moment until we do literally anything and then they suddenly appear from thin air. We couldn't even have our own adventure with Estinien in 6.1 without several of them showing up.

---

To be more accurate, It doesnt "need" to be shown or done that way. You would like that to be the case. You don't like how it's been done. Fair enough, not gonna waste my time on that point with you.

Yes I'm misinterpreting what you aren't being clear about. Has to be me. Even with that logic it still isn't a crutch as this is some real people deal with. Again done arguing that point.

Once again, the story isn't about simply the Scions overcoming...what game are you playing? What long turn consequences are you advocating for exactly? Does someone need to be sad and struggling all the time. Downing themselves constantly maybe? Idk. Cause I keep seeing you make this point but refuse to offer a number of examples.

Time skip. So if it isn't time travel what we're we doing those what...3, 4 years? Just sitting around? Where were we teleported to? Genuine wonder btw.

Lastly this is also false. Did the Twin just "pop up" when we were in Garl? No they're already there and have been helping the people since 6.0 ended. Even recently did Thancred just pop up? No, he was called to come help but left right after to get back to his business. Has Graha just popped up to aid us in between his "Godly" endeavor? No. He IS acknowledged though. They generally have a reason to be around and when that's done they go back to their previous tasks. That seems to be what they will be going for more towards the future. I'd imagine after what goes down Ysh will be next to head out to the First to do her own thing. It's a process. Some may like it, some may not. Think it just boils down to us seeing it different.

I think some of you experts need to write up your own game world and make millions, if you can. Then you can watch everyone shred your creations...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Wish the twins grew...

https://imgur.com/H4wYjrn.png

---

This is beautiful! I like how the twins have slowly become more and more individualistic overtime and I hope something like this will be the end result!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KeshLives

I think some of you experts need to write up your own game world and make millions, if you can. Then you can watch everyone shred your creations...

---

There's little need for that. You don't need to be a chef to comment or criticise a poor meal at a restaurant, especially if that restaurant is actively bragging about having the 'best meals ever' through its own personal army of influencers.

Endwalker was pretty controversial with its inconsistent messaging and so that is being discussed. From what I've seen, a decent amount of people have found the 'wat is a fwend' arc with Zero to lack much in the way of depth as well. Especially since it's already very similar to ground that has been tread many times already.