DESPERATION for INNOVATION: "FFXIV's DOWNFALL"

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Originally Posted by Baxta

Did you mean this? http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html ? It's a long, tragic and at times, very funny read. Amazing how many of the same mistakes were repeated with XIV.

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Reading through this again, it makes me wonder how much animosity the JP vets still carry towards NA players...

No idea. They still get bitchy when you say JP ORNY though.

What kind of a post is this? I don't even think anything of the armoury system it's fine...

My only qualm is content which I know they holding back for 2.0. I just want more story quests plot lines...sidequests...

heck if they gave me something like a pet I could raise or a card game I'd play that all day long...

nothing to do with the armoury system but continue to balance it...and speed things up as 2.0 should be addressing...YAWN.

Why do people on forums always take suggestions to the extremes? SE can add more diversity on an individual basis, in reference to jobs, without reverting the game back to its release state. There is a lot that can be done with just the sub jobs, for example, that would allow for jobs to retain their same position in group content but introduce some differentiation.

Maybe have a few choices for sub jobs, not just the 2 predetermined. I'm fairly confident SE doesn't want everyone curing so they could still limit the possible choices to 3 or 4 of the classes. On top of that, they could have your sub jobs impact your stats in a small way. Maybe make it so you can pick one sub job instead of two and you get a select few of the traits from that class.

I'm not saying any of these suggestions should be implemented, especially not without a lot more thought than the 5 minutes it took to come up with them, but there is still plenty SE could do with the -current- job system that would create diversity and possible uniqueness.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Does anybody, besides me, still think this Armoury System is gonna end up being SE's Achilles' Heel?

They've worked it, and reworked it, from DAY ONE....and it is STILL an abomination. I mean...what the heck is supposed to set me apart from every other 50 WHM, WAR, and PLD....my armor choices? (unlikely, since every time new gear comes out, it's so easy to get)

So, is it my sub class? (nope...those are PRE-DETERMINED). Where is the versatility? Where is the DRG subbing "whm" so his wyvern can healing breath....Where is the SAM subbing DNC, so he can solo a damn Sky God lol....where is the thf subbing war for berserk, and so on....

What is it going to take for SE to realize that no1 wants to be a carbon frekin copy of everyone else with their job...a handful of actions that anybody can simply swap onto, is NOT helping the situation.


AND PLEASE.....do not give me that whole "that's what classes are for" spiel. Classes perfectly epitomize the terms "BORING and GENERIC."

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Amen brother.

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Originally Posted by Rykan

Does anybody, besides me, still think this Armoury System is gonna end up being SE's Achilles' Heel?

They've worked it, and reworked it, from DAY ONE....and it is STILL an abomination. I mean...what the heck is supposed to set me apart from every other 50 WHM, WAR, and PLD....my armor choices? (unlikely, since every time new gear comes out, it's so easy to get)

So, is it my sub class? (nope...those are PRE-DETERMINED). Where is the versatility? Where is the DRG subbing "whm" so his wyvern can healing breath....Where is the SAM subbing DNC, so he can solo a damn Sky God lol....where is the thf subbing war for berserk, and so on....

What is it going to take for SE to realize that no1 wants to be a carbon frekin copy of everyone else with their job...a handful of actions that anybody can simply swap onto, is NOT helping the situation.


AND PLEASE.....do not give me that whole "that's what classes are for" spiel. Classes perfectly epitomize the terms "BORING and GENERIC."

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I understand your point - where's the customisation? Every BLM for example walks around in the same gear with the same abilities and spells. But you've got to understand that yes, this whole system has been recently reworked - you can't expect it to relaunch with an awesome fully-customisable armoury system that allows each player to create their own builds. This will come with time, I'm sure, particularly at or after 2.0 I have no doubts that the system will grow, whether it be with new abilities you have to pick and choose, "merits", attaching glyphs to your character or an entirely new feature.

SE has only just laid out the groundwork and the system is still going through its tweaks and changes (note the recent PLD/WAR switcheroo). Let them iron out these kinks first before the system starts to grow and develop.

Now it's been quite awhile since I last played FFXI (Stopped seriously playing shortly after Treasures of Aught-whatever), but I seem to recall everyone being shoehorned into a certain preset of "optimal" subjobs for anything team oriented.

I know if I tried to join a team as RDM/MNK I'd get laughed at, told to stop messing around, and sub BLM or WHM. Not a whole lot of diversity in that.

The only thing that distinguished one RDM/WHM from the other RDM/WHM was gear. It's not like we had to pick and choose which spells we took, you could learn em all.

Granted, if you wanted to pop an odd subjob and go solo, there was nothing stopping you.

The selection of what most people would call "effective" subjobs may have been somewhat limited. Mages pretty much were subbing their polar Mage counter part. /war /nin /sam for DD's. That however got a much larger expansion when some of the more flexible jobs finally peeked in. /sch and /dnc were plain naughty with what you could pull off. I do kind of get what OP is saying though. sub jobs may have been limited to only a handful but it was more diverse then what we got now.

Advanced jobs that has predetermined sub skills and the few you can equip are all the universal ones that everyone picks because they are just plain useful and difficult to go without. (I'm looking at you Second Wind)

The way I see it we're much more locked in and rigid then we were in FFXI. Even with the more hardcore attitude and preference on perfection.

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Originally Posted by Teakwood

I was so sad when I found out MNK/RDM didn't actually work. It's such a cool idea!

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I'm sad because Hiir has no boobs. ; ;

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Originally Posted by indira

biggest issue with the games is its going to be focused on instance content which is pertty much a grind for gear and when everyone already gets everything there not doing it again, SE seems to want and keep it at that and not trying to expand on it. they really need to make some content in 2.0 that you can do constantly with anyone at anytime or by your self or the game is gonna dry up fast. im so bored right now with the game im waiting for the AF weapons to be released before i log back in.

SE get your stuff together because its your last chance coming up in just over 6 months.

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. . lol wow.. just wait for 2.0 then... if you ask me.. let SE take there time and DO IT RIGHT.. stop BS'ing about it and give then the time they need to fix the game the 1st team F up and sit back and wait \-_-/..I for one and haveing alot of fun and just helpinf all the new ppl comeing back is ok with me... 1 more year wont kill you ^^