How is anyone fine with the 4-month patch delivery schedule?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What's the purpose in the sub then? When a game has a sub, it is presumed that content gets released at more frequent periods, or there is something to do, to justify the sub. The "just unsub" argument I have always thought was laughable.

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Compared to other MMO's and their content droughts? FFXIV seems to be the more consistent with its patch releases that justify a sub (which is needed to keep an online game going without resorting to numerous amounts of micro-transactions and pay 2 win models). So its not laughable for people to sub and unsub when they know content will be coming anyway. Also maybe I'm one of the few that does this but...I dont play this game every day. In fact I go a week or 2 without playing to do something else to avoid burnout, but I still keep my sub going for the off chance I want to play the game. I figure this is how others usually play MMOs without making it their 2nd job.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

You even gloss over the fact that they are , once again , throwing new band-aids on top of a now festering wound . There is only one solution to a system that requires much larger server space to alleviate the housing ownership issues . More servers . You shouldn't , if in good faith ,design a system that needs the room to house virtual neighbourhoods and not have the servers to host it all.

They created exclusivity behind a paywall when they didnt need to. Of course it wont change now because people pay up.




You should give your arms a rest after all that water you carry for SqE.

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Tell you what, you tell me what FFXIV system nailed it correctly on the first try that didn't require years of improvement to get to it's best state? Tell you another, you go back to the 1.0 system and rebuild a game limited by that system from the ground up. You tell me how much server space is required for instances housing for a million people, how many servers you will need for that, what's the cost per server, lay out the oh-so simple plan of action to go from the housing we have now to the housing system you want, and you've got me sold. Because while I am not personally a game dev, I know that circumstances and resources available(both technological and personnel) are the driving force for why things are the way they are. What I find interesting is they didn't create exclusivity behind a paywall because the auto-demolition didn't exist when houses were originally introduced. It was later added as a by product of a housing shortage because it's a hell of a lot easier to kick unsubbed people out than all the leg work for more plots. That's not scummy, that's just using your head. Also, people "pay up" to play the game, housing is just an addition to the game. If you only pay a sub for a house, then maybe you don't like the game, then why would you stay subbed? For a house you could just rebuy later? What you seem to not understand is to add anything to this game, you have to subtract what you COULD add. To spin their dev team for a massive rehaul of the housing system, you would have to take them from any other project they could have been working on in the meantime.

The whole housing situation CAN be better, but you know what helps? Being realistic with and understanding with the current and future state of the game to work towards a solution that makes players happy, and is feasible by the dev team. Anyone can spout "this should be this because I said so and I don't care what it takes", but you get a lot farther by working with the current flow than swimming against. "How dare SE make virtual neighborhoods in an MMO in an effort to cultivate communities, and how dare they not nail it right on the first try and lay an unchanging foundation to last over a decade" gimme a break. Now if they NEVER addressed it and NEVER made strides to make it better, then I'd be in your boat. Though as far as I can tell, they've addressed it, many times, and have made strides to improve it, many times.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Compared to other MMO's and their content droughts? FFXIV seems to be the more consistent with its patch releases that justify a sub (which is needed to keep an online game going without resorting to numerous amounts of micro-transactions and pay 2 win models). So its not laughable for people to sub and unsub when they know content will be coming anyway. Also maybe I'm one of the few that does this but...I dont play this game every day. In fact I go a week or 2 without playing to do something else to avoid burnout, but I still keep my sub going for the off chance I want to play the game. I figure this is how others usually play MMOs without making it their 2nd job.

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I only play this game for a few months a year. I keep my sub going for the forums, and the house I got nowadays. However, I do not stop playing the game for so long because I want to - most of the time (I did get burn out last year from the relic grind) - but because I simply have nothing I want to do. I probably take more breaks from this game than many people here, funnily enough.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What's the purpose in the sub then? When a game has a sub, it is presumed that content gets released at more frequent periods (or there is something to do) to justify the sub. The "just unsub" argument I have always thought was laughable.

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The sub's purpose is the same as any other sub in business - access to the content they are presently offering in exchange for the sub. You are not promised new content at any specific pace unless that is part of the sub deal like for magazines. This isn't just for games - but for anything. Like when I'm done with the content I'm interested on Netflix or any of the other 200 streaming services that have come out, I simply unsub until it has enough content for me to want to sub again. I don't go onto the internet to demand they make new shows faster.

New content is expected if a business wants to keep a sub - else people will unsub. FFXIV already said they are fine losing your sub if you are done with the content until you want to play again. That's the whole point of "just unsub."

What I find laughable is trying to demand things at your pace as the customer as opposed to what they are offering as the business. You are free to unsub, but for some reason people would rather not, and complain instead.

FFXIV has shared with it's customers it's present schedule for offering new content. If it's not enough... just unsub. That easy.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

FFXIV already said they are fine losing your sub if you are done with the content until you want to play again. That's the whole point of "just unsub."

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They can say what they want, but I seriously doubt that statement.

Super easy if you play casually. I /hope/ they use that time to A. develop more complex and diverse features rather than feeling compelled to pump the machine as hard as possible with no time to breath and on that B. perhaps figure out how to avoid the unfortunately classic thing called crunch (which is a bigger problem than players ask for too much, that's something corporate needs to work on too). I do feel a sense of A (island sanctuary for example, and of course our graphic updates), and I'm sure Covid coming in as C doesn't help (though I do hope those impacts are going to be lessened). As for B. just a prayer, like how seeing whats going down with blizzard... employees should be treated well too.

People might make arguments of wealth and so they should be able to reinvest more but I just don't want to attempt an argument based on that, I feel accounting arguments are doomed to have no value (for or against ideas, I don't care to hear how expensive someone thinks a thing will be, neither do I care to hear how much more they should be spending in money- my imo).

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They can say what they want, but I seriously doubt that statement.

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They said it and they mean it. It's really bizarre that you think there is a conspiracy that FFXIV doesn't think people should unsub and prefers that you remain subbed unhappily so you can complain on the forums.

But since you said the forums are part of the reason you sub, then you are still getting value I guess. Given you have posted over 5000 times, a lot of value lol.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

They said it and they mean it. It's really bizarre that you think there is a conspiracy that FFXIV doesn't think people should unsub and prefers that you remain subbed unhappily so you can complain on the forums.

But since you said the forums are part of the reason you sub, then you are still getting value I guess. Given you have posted over 5000 times, a lot of value lol.

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I've always considered myself a casual player. I would personally be satisfied if there was some form of lasting content with quality outfits, and collectibles to go for. I don't even ask for much - I think, but even then the game fails to deliver. A lot of 'casuals' in this game, actually get the most out of their sub by making their own content, rping, or otherwise. It's used as a social hub - those are the players who actually get value out of it.

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Originally Posted by WhiteWitch

What are you actually complaint about then ? If you like being casual and visiting rp clubs, aren’t you getting your subs worth

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I don't RP, so I don't get my money's worth. Imagine doing that. lol. I'd like to have a game to play actually.

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Originally Posted by Ixon

Though as far as I can tell, they've addressed it, many times, and have made strides to improve it, many times.

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All the while not doing what needs to be done. Id be much more understanding if we had any news that they are making the required server space that is needed to house much higher amounts of players with none of this endless plaque board clicking and the loss of the home if you're away too long in their eyes , especially after the recent influx of subscribers the game has had, all the whilst making assurances that they wont hold people hostage by tying the place to a sub once they can house much more potential home owners. I dont think they have ever tried to nor intend to.


Nothing more can make good of the situation and all I see is excuses because they get people keep subbing where as they probably wouldn't if they didn't have the threat of loosing the home . Its understandable from a business perspective , scummy from my point of view.

Keep paying , even if you feel you would like to take longer breaks but dont because of the loss of your house.

Its your money.