Zenos is... [big fat spoily]

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Originally Posted by nighttimebunny

there's no way he's dead. he's came back from the dead before and we all know the devs don't really like killing off characters. the devs also have stated they don't care about a character's popularity when keeping them alive/dead, so the crowd of people who hate him don't really matter.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Abomination713

In order to do this he will journey around the world in our company and help us in the new challenges we will face. If he and his method did not work in beating us, maybe seeing how we live our day to day life and following what we do is the key to finally pushing past his limits.

Yeah, it's dumb, but no one dies in this game when they should.

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Not dumb at all. This sounds brilliant. I would LOVE for this to happen.

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Originally Posted by Abomination713

So here's my take on it. He's still alive and will show back up out of nowhere in a brand new clone body since Garlemald has perfected cloning technology and even Emet-Selch had multiple cloned bodies just laying around for him to use when he died. He will be satisfied with the fight we had, but now it's no longer about having the best fight every. It's now about winning that fight as he views it as overcoming the one challenge he as ever had in his life. A goal he can aim for. In order to do this he will journey around the world in our company and help us in the new challenges we will face. If he and his method did not work in beating us, maybe seeing how we live our day to day life and following what we do is the key to finally pushing past his limits.

Yeah, it's dumb, but no one dies in this game when they should.

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Not a half bad idea. Studying us to find out how he can surpass us. And we can direct that energy of his when he's around for our own purposes. Maintains the "I don't completely trust you but we're cooperating for now" idea.

We already had Zenos killed, had him revived and had some dark entity take his body. If it happens again there just wont be any poing in his arc. Especially if he starts helping us and will be our buddy/scion. Just as senseless as resurrecting Hades/Hyth.

No matter how much Zenos helped us he still did horrible stuff in the past, and turning everything upside down and throwing away that he almost killed our friends and tortured ppl will be just plain dumb.

Remember the whole Tsuyu plot and the Role quests for ranged classes to see how those "redemtion arcs" can look from the side.

I love Zenos, cause he is not 0815. Sure he did bad things, but that's the point in beeing a Villain or not? If I could ... gosh all Scions would be dead already. Would be nice to choose the dark side and not beeing always the good Bringer of Light.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

I love Zenos, cause he is not 0815. Sure he did bad things, but that's the point in beeing a Villain or not? If I could ... gosh all Scions would be dead already. Would be nice to choose the dark side and not beeing always the good Bringer of Light.

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That sounds so good to me. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." That might just fit our WoL. I'd love an expansion and some patches where the WoL becomes the villain. The "fallen hero" trope, gosh, I love it when it's done well. And it's also quite rare in media; it's rare to have your protagnoist become the antagonist and still make sense. But when it happens and it's done well...chef's kiss

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

...still alive.

We thought he was dead when he merked himself in Ala Mhigo, but we learned that, similarly to that one fish man who turned into aether and possessed another one of his kind after being shot by Tall Trenchcoat Lady, he was able to do the same with a Garlean soldier in order to reclaim his body.

Who's to say that he didn't do the same with a random Loporrit onboard the Ragnarok... or worse, the Warrior of Light?

We did do that creepy smirk thing back to him during the final battle. I think he already wormed his way into our head, made us susceptible to be used as a vessel to carry him back to Hydaelyn (the planet, not the god).

Get ready for Zenos for three more expansions!

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Yep, I agree! I want to see him back, alive and well, but not as a villain again, and not just because he wants to fight the WoL all the time. I want a redemption/rehabilitation arc for him, one that he survives.

It would be even more fun if the roles were somewhat reversed, and if the WoL becomes a villain/antagonist and Zenos becomes good and has to help the WoL "see the light" again. So much could be done with such a plot.

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

Yup. :) I love batsh!t crazy characters, epic battles, monsters, gore, etc, when it comes to games/movies. Zenos is the kind of character I always get obsessed with. I appreciate his last few "good deeds" because they were different and fun but I hope they won't go overboard with it when he comes back. I'm glad he stayed true to himself and did everything to get all my attention for our final fight. He should be my WoL's crazy murderous BFF. Like I always say: people like different things.

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Hey Erinellza, I kept wanting to say this to you (hope you see this message): since you're a Zenos fan and would like to see him back, we have a Discord group/server dedicated to Zenos fans that you might enjoy. We like to talk about Zenos and theorycraft about him and ways in which he could return and affect the story going forward. It's a nice place to keep in touch with like-minded people while we wait to see what happens in the MSQ. Let me know if you would like to join!

Oh and anyone else who likes Zenos and would like to see him return is also welcome to join! We'd love to hear your ideas and theorycraft together and keep the hope alive!

i also feel that zenos still alive, either alive "well" or alive in some way (maybe like half dead or in spirit form or "hijacking" other body"

like he just.... flat down the "floor" just like that? no blood, no glitter disappearing effect, no excruciating pain or anything like that.

just... laying down there just like that

Gaius couldnt go to Garlemald even if he wanted to cause he was accused for Varis's death. If Zenos was to come back, travelling with him would be kinda "worry".

I dont think he will come back tbh, even if i liked him this expansion as he showed progress as a character, hes probably dead and theres no nearby hosts for him to take over in that zone.

His Avatar may return using his body tho, we know they are capable of taking over their hosts bodies completely from the RPR questline.