Dark Knight where is my Identiy

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

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Again I consider "Frontload your resources + Upgrade the spender" and "Build additional resources over several hits to use another OGCD attack" different enough for it too matter. Not to mention using your spenders lower Infuriates CD whereas Blood Weapon is always a fixed amount.

And once more I consider "Use GCDs+ Your burst Cooldown to maintain a damage buff" and "Passively maintain your damage by using your MP efficiently" to be different enough to matter.

Living Dead being a convoluted mess of a skill is exactly what makes it different enough from Holmgang for me to not consider them perfect copies of one another, War is simple but has a shorter duration, DRK has a longer potential duration but has the convoluted "must be healed to full" effect to compensate.

I still disagree strongly with the ToB vs TBN thing. Even if the most effective method of using TBN is on yourself in most situations, the fact you can place it on others ultimately makes it more parallel to Nascent Flash then it does ToB. While yes, ToB and TBN share the effect of mitigating damage via increasing max HP, they do it in ways that are different enough for me to consider them different skills.

That's ultimately where I lie on the matter. I do not consider DRK and WAR so similar as to be clones of one another because what similarities they have outside of Delirium and Inner Release and the Beast/Blood Gauge are more then different enough to matter. and even then, Warrior builds it's Beast Gauge faster then DRK does with Blood and has OGCDs that spend it. Whereas DRK only has Bloodspiller/Quietus and Living Shadow (once every two minutes) to use it on.

I, for one, really like Living Dead. Yeah it's convoluted, but the flavor is so strong with it. Plus, used well (and in coordination with your healer) it is the longest invulnerability in the game.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I, for one, really like Living Dead. Yeah it's convoluted, but the flavor is so strong with it. Plus, used well (and in coordination with your healer) it is the longest invulnerability in the game.

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The Invulnerability doesn't count until you've entered Walking Dead, before that, Living Dead is a 10 second window where Healers don't need to heal you. If anything, Living Dead is ez mode Invulnerability compared to other tanks, when it comes to timing, as you you can press your Invulnerability at most 10 seconds before you need it, meaning you have more windows to weave in Living Dead, without potentially disrupting oGCDs.

Hallowed Ground has an animation delay on it's Invulnerability, Superbolide, has a minuscule window when it drops you to 1 hp and you're not invulnerable, while Holmgang I've found to be very responsive, although I rarely play WAR outside leveling it.

Living Dead, when used perfectly optimally, has an effective duration of 9 seconds and an effective recast of 291 seconds. When you compare this to Holmgang, you're trading off a 1-2 second longer duration in exchange for a 51 second longer recast and a heal-or-die penalty. In order to gain this 1 second duration advantage, however, you must have a WHM in your party who dedicates all their uses of Benediction to cleansing Living Dead at the last possible tick. In a 12 minute fight, this means that you lose half of all your uses of Benediction in the process. If you don't, the duration can vary anywhere from 1 to 9 seconds, meaning that more often than not it ends up being active for a much shorter duration than Holmgang.

Last second invuln use is primarily a beginner tank trap. Effective cooldown use is generally based around precasting cooldowns, sometimes 10-20 seconds in advance, in order to catch big hits at the tail end of your cooldown. This reduces the effective recast of your next use, because your cooldown is already ticking down by the time the tankbuster finally hits. If you're getting caught out by invulnerability lag in a scripted fight, then your fight timing knowledge is inadequate.

The fact that even intermediate to more experienced players don't understand how Living Dead works or gets optimized five years out reflects on bad game design all around. Or maybe it just reflects on the playerbase, hard to tell which at this point. I'd be a big fan of seeing the dev team doing a complete overhaul to invulns next expansion. They're much too accessible for how little damage is actually on tanks.

Well I guess we found out where our identity went lol.

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Originally Posted by jetfire117

Well I guess we found out where our identity went lol.

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Right? Reaper is even whipping out the black and red flames whenever it goes into it's burst phase. "Darkside looks underwhelming, give us back the black flame aura!" was heard and a finger on the Monkey's Paw curled.

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Originally Posted by jetfire117

Well I guess we found out where our identity went lol.

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This is unironically the best timeline. I can keep playing an edgy job that's probably gonna have some FFXI DRK skills anyway, I've already swapped to playing DRG to actually have to use more than two braincells in normal content, I'll get a familiar that actually does actions together with me, and the buff state looks like it's empowering or possibly changing GCD properties? Next they'll say the actions per minute are high, I'll get a Haste buff and an actual rotation!

I can finally maybe get off a role and a job that has been constantly gutted for years. Very tempting. Why keep suffering with this trash when I can get a different flavor of DRKness?

When i saw the reveal and then Yoship start explaining the Jobs mechanics i was "but thats like living shadow properly designed", im not gonna lie, i fear Reaper addition Will just make DRK won't get the Gameplay reworks/adjustment that needs so badly.

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Originally Posted by shao32

When i saw the reveal and then Yoship start explaining the Jobs mechanics i was "but thats like living shadow properly designed", im not gonna lie, i fear Reaper addition Will just make DRK won't get the Gameplay reworks/adjustment that needs so badly.

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Who knows, maybe if we wait long enough the tank and healer playerbase will have died to the point where the majority that is dps starts complaining that they can't get into dungeons anymore and THEN we might see some reworks.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Who knows, maybe if we wait long enough the tank and healer playerbase will have died to the point where the majority that is dps starts complaining that they can't get into dungeons anymore and THEN we might see some reworks.

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Don't get your hopes up, the trust system exists for a reason.