ROYAL RUBY • NIGHTCLUB • BEHEMOTH/PRIMAL

This made me curious what the spending power of gil would be compared to real world currency.

So I've done some math by comparing an easily identified commodity: The humble egg. A Boiled Egg from a random vendor in the Sapphire Exchange is 5 Gil, it costs $2.69 to buy an egg from an equivalent establishment: a Denny's. We can posit that the loose buying power of 1 gil to USD would be around $0.54. From this we can begin to calculate the prices of what various things on your menu would be.

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Based on this loose conversion, your Dzo Steak would cost 5400 dollars. Over a hundred times what a steak at one of the highest ranked steak restaurant in the world, Porteno in Australia, charges for it's most expensive steak A sirloin that costs Around $70 in USD.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Still have yet to hear what makes your venue/services worth the 400k. So, I hope that everyone does choose to go to another venue for the sake of their wallets and general sanity.

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You have already quoted the answer to your question. Yours was among the most derisive of posts, and I have determined that there is no more sufficient answer to your "legitimate" question than that. Remember, you have the active role as the consumer in the FFXIV economy, so you are under no obligation to purchase anything with your gil that you do not want. No one is "robbing" you. You have the option to pass on any transaction that you do not wish to partake in, and I encourage you to execute that option. Were you to come to the Royal Ruby this Friday night and decide to not purchase anything, we would not "rob" you, or otherwise demean you for* doing so.

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Originally Posted by Archpoet

I mean, I call out the judge-y and mocking posts, and somehow now I'm the troll? :rolleyes:
Bottom line: it's hard for anyone RPing on any other datacenter to get a foothold, and this tragic display is one of the primary reasons.

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Staying on the front page is anything but tragic. Especially when you compare how fast others fly off the first page.

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Originally Posted by Archpoet

You have already quoted the answer to your question. Yours was among the most derisive of posts, and I have determined that there is no more sufficient answer to your "legitimate" question than that. Remember, you have the active role as the consumer in the FFXIV economy, so you are under no obligation to purchase anything with your gil that you do not want. No one is "robbing" you. You have the option to pass on any transaction that you do not wish to partake in, and I encourage you to execute that option. Were you to come to the Royal Ruby this Friday night and decide to not purchase anything, we would not "rob" you, or otherwise demean you for* doing so.

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I'm just trying to see what you mean by "paying for the experience". So I'm curious what experience you are providing. That's all. Don't have to answer me if you don't want to but doesn't make your practices any less sheisty.

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Originally Posted by Archpoet

I apologize for that perception. For my part, I am RP-ing the General Manager of this establishment. My posts represent someone struggling to maintain professionalism amid the frustrating ridiculousness that this thread has become. This forum community fancies itself reddit detectives exposing the evil RPers and all their nefarious plots, when in reality they are paragons of toxicity stamping out anything they don't understand or agree with.

I mean, I call out the judge-y and mocking posts, and somehow now I'm the troll? :rolleyes:
Bottom line: it's hard for anyone RPing on any other datacenter to get a foothold, and this tragic display is one of the primary reasons.

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I can get the RP can be difficult to get going on a server. I was a part of the original community that tried to get RP going on Gilgamesh and it is where I started out on this game, it's difficult and it last a year before we decided to move our part of the community to Balmung, as it seemed all the people trying to "save" the server spent more time trying to save the server than actually RPing.

The problem, as described by others here that on these data centres people are setting up RP venues for the purpose of making easy money by exploiting that desire for RP for profit. So when you look at something that's overpriced, it rings alarm bells. It's even over priced by OOC standards not just IC, Dzo steak doesn't cost a lot to make, it doesn't cost a lot to buy off of the MB and ICly wouldn't not be worth anywhere near as much.

And needing to spend 1000's of gil for RP each night seems to be a disincentive to RP. If anything, it'd make me want to transfer here to Crystal and get free RP.


I mean, you're free to do it, but it's really surprising me to read this is the norm for RP on other datacenters and it baffles me. I don't get how charging people for RP helps RP on the server.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

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Thank you for this reply, it definitely adds context, and your history with it appears to be line with my experience so far on Primal. I'm a legacy character, but new to RP, and it is honestly sad. I did not expect the elitism in the RP community itself, but I suppose* I should have. That was short sighted of me.

I cannot speak to the pace of the market (meaning delta over time of the venue prices at the datacenter level), but I can say that a 5-star experience pricing itself at fast food level, from a business perspective is out of the question, simply because it sends the wrong message about the quality of the establishment to potential customers. That being said we are apace in pricing with at least two other high quality venues in the Primal DC.

Those overcritical of this simply haven't researched Primal's RP venue offerings sufficiently.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

This made me curious what the spending power of gil would be compared to real world currency.

So I've done some math by comparing an easily identified commodity: The humble egg. A Boiled Egg from a random vendor in the Sapphire Exchange is 5 Gil, it costs $2.69 to buy an egg from an equivalent establishment: a Denny's. We can posit that the loose buying power of 1 gil to USD would be around $0.54. From this we can begin to calculate the prices of what various things on your menu would be.

For example:

Based on this loose conversion, your Dzo Steak would cost 5400 dollars. Over a hundred times what a steak at one of the highest ranked steak restaurant in the world, Porteno in Australia, charges for it's most expensive steak A sirloin that costs Around $70 in USD.

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Where does it cost 2.69$ to buy a boiled egg? I know a place where I can buy a half dozen for 3.49$ after taxes. That puts it around 0.12$ per gil.
For a dzo steak costing around 1,200$. A quick google search has shown A5 wagyu steak for selling as high 1,700$. so yea high end but not out of the price range.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Where does it cost 2.69$ to buy a boiled egg? I know a place where I can buy a half dozen for 3.49$ after taxes. That puts it around 0.12$ per gil.
For a dzo steak costing around 1,200$. A quick google search has shown A5 wagyu steak for selling as high 1,700$. so yea high end but not out of the price range.

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I looked up what it would cost at Denny's for an Alacart option. Considering the point of comparison is Ul'dah, a place that is also notoriously greedy and wouldn't be above price gouging on a boiled egg it really isn't that much of a stretch I don't think. It's ultimately just an idle thought.

Also the only $1700 Wagyu I can find isn't a steak, it's a burger that also includes caviar, lobster, and edible gold which is hilarious but not necessarily a steak. It's not a normal menu item by any stretch of the imagination, it's an over the top hat trick that was done as a publicity stunt and only sold to a single person. Wagyu or Kobe beef can get pretty pricy for a single pound but even at it's best it's 200-300 per plate. The only way you're hitting the four digit mark with Wagyu steaks is if you're buying multiple pounds of it.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Where does it cost 2.69$ to buy a boiled egg? I know a place where I can buy a half dozen for 3.49$ after taxes. That puts it around 0.12$ per gil.
For a dzo steak costing around 1,200$. A quick google search has shown A5 wagyu steak for selling as high 1,700$. so yea high end but not out of the price range.

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Good Wagyu steak is crazy expensive for a reason and that reason doesn't apply here. Dzo are a free roaming yak-like creature native to the azim steppe, which live in abundance and have a lot of meat on them and aren't raised or bred like the cows used for Wagyu.

The fairest comparison would be a high quality non-Wagyu steak.

In fairness, it's a Dzo steak we're talking about and not an FFXIV equivalent of a Wagyu, Wagyu is ridiculous priced for a reason, which doesn't apply to Dzo in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Archpoet

Thank you for this reply, it definitely adds context, and your history with it appears to be line with my experience so far on Primal. I'm a legacy character, but new to RP, and it is honestly sad. I did not expect the elitism in the RP community itself, but I suppose* I should have. That was short sighted of me.

I cannot speak to the pace of the market (meaning delta over time of the venue prices at the datacenter level), but I can say that a 5-star experience pricing itself at fast food level, from a business perspective is out of the question, simply because it sends the wrong message about the quality of the establishment to potential customers. That being said we are apace in pricing with at least two other high quality venues in the Primal DC.

Those overcritical of this simply haven't researched Primal's RP venue offerings sufficiently.

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A strong part of me in that situation would be tempted to mix it up and say "we'll only charge IC prices" and stick it to the exploitative RP venues doing it for the money. Maybe not even tell your guests it's IC gil only and let them pay at the end, so they get to experience what you have to offer and find you refuse their real gil in the end and say "we only accept IC gil" and they can see they don't lose out on quality because they've paid money and that they're dealing with people who actually care about RP. If they insist, it's another matter, people sometimes tip.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

I looked up what it would cost at Denny's for an Alacart option. Considering the point of comparison is Ul'dah, a place that is also notoriously greedy and wouldn't be above price gouging on a boiled egg it really isn't that much of a stretch I don't think. It's ultimately just an idle thought.

Also the only $1700 Wagyu I can find isn't a steak, it's a burger that also includes caviar, lobster, and edible gold which is hilarious but not necessarily a steak. It's not a normal menu item by any stretch of the imagination, it's an over the top hat trick that was done as a publicity stunt and only sold to a single person. Wagyu or Kobe beef can get pretty pricy for a single pound but even at it's best it's 200-300 per plate. The only way you're hitting the four digit mark with Wagyu steaks is if you're buying multiple pounds of it.

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In fairness I'd believe $1700 for Wagyu, but it depends on the size, there's restaurant in London that sells a dish that uses 1kg of kobe beef for £1000. Still, dzo isn't wagyu. My Xaela characters could become very rich if dzo was as valuable as wagyu.